'80s Movie Montage
Breaking down our favorite decade of flicks. Hosted by Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke.
'80s Movie Montage
Teen Wolf
In this episode, Anna and Derek chat about unnecessarily awful nicknames, bully boyfriends who show up everywhere, and much more during their discussion of the Michael J. Fox starrer Teen Wolf (1985).
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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.
Give me ID, Sonny. You little bastards just won't give up, will you? Listen, no ID, no goddamn beer. Can't you get that through your thick skull?
SPEAKER_03:Give me a keg of beer.
SPEAKER_02:Hello and welcome to 80s Movie Montage. This is Derek.
SPEAKER_04:And this is Anna.
SPEAKER_02:And that was Harvey Vernon as the old man clerk and Michael J. Fox as Scott Howard sounding more sinister than Tim Curry as the devil in, of course, 1985's Teen Wolf.
SPEAKER_04:Way to, like, bring in legend as well, right? Yeah, why not? Yeah. Yeah, Teen Wolf. What was it? Old Man Store Clerk?
SPEAKER_02:Old Man Clerk.
SPEAKER_04:Old Man Clerk.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I am so excited to finally cover this movie. I can't believe we haven't yet because we see this movie. It's on a lot. It's
SPEAKER_04:on a
SPEAKER_02:lot. We've seen it a lot.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Although I was saying last night, it's so funny because once you finally sit down with intention to watch a movie that you think you've seen, which I shouldn't say I think. I've seen this movie a million times. But especially the first 15-ish minutes.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, there's a lot of world building.
SPEAKER_04:There's a lot of world building that I just had kind of forgotten about. I think
SPEAKER_02:they have edited out some of the like one of the things that happens at the kegger at the party, I don't have any memory of the two- The like whipped
SPEAKER_04:cream.
SPEAKER_02:The whipped cream people who are trying to escape the entirety of that party. They never make it out.
SPEAKER_04:No, that's a good point because I think it's on TV so much that usually we're just like, yeah, we'll just keep it on. But this was the first time that we just played the DVD.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So
SPEAKER_02:DVD. It was like a party from old school or something. Yes. Like, yeah, I'm like, whoa.
SPEAKER_04:Apparently, was it the director who- did go to Nebraska and like talk to kids and he said that like the answers that they gave him for how they party did inspire okay a lot of so they party hard in Nebraska anyway Teen Wolf uh super excited as I have mentioned already a couple times to cover this one 1985 yep and well probably at some point bring into it the fact that it was supposed to be released before Back to the Future, but then it wasn't.
SPEAKER_02:There's so many funny things that happened as a consequence of that. Like when it was released in Brazil, the title was Boy from the Future.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it definitely got a boost from Back to the Future. So very smart marketing play.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:But let's dive into the writers on this. So first we have, well, now he goes by like Jep Loeb. I think at the time, what was the, like, Joseph, I think, is actually his full name, but now he goes by Jeph. Jeph. J-E-P-H? Jeff? Jeff?
SPEAKER_02:If it's Jeff, that's like a tragedy kind of name, you know?
SPEAKER_04:He's actually, so he does have a handful of writing credits, but if you were to go to his IMDb, you'll see that he is big time into producing, like, basically all the Marvel properties. More specifically, the ones that are on TV. But he's big, big, big.
SPEAKER_02:They get to that right now. He did, I'm assuming, almost all of the Netflix Marvel shows when they were still making them. So Luke Cage, Daredevil before they had the Born Again season, Cloak and Dagger, which I think was one, and Jessica Jones. So all of the Netflix ones. But
SPEAKER_04:those are still a couple years removed from now. But he's still... right now like producing on all those properties okay yeah yeah so he is a big-time producer but specifically his like writing credits and you'll kind of see the evolution to i think where he went with marvel so he was a writer on commando the movie
SPEAKER_02:okay
SPEAKER_04:he because of originating the story and like the characters he has a credit for teen wolf 2 t o o with jason bateman that one he i don't know if he's really a part of it maybe i
SPEAKER_02:have seen that at one point but
SPEAKER_04:I never really have. I've only seen a couple scenes here and there. But
SPEAKER_02:I'm pretty sure there's like a montage where there's like a whole dance number with him. Like now that now that I can. Do you love me song? I feel maybe that's just like like a dream that I had when I had a fever or something.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, you're making this up.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know. It was so bizarre. I don't know if I'm making it up or if it really
SPEAKER_04:happened. Well, Loeb has a character and story credit for that. TV series called Seven Little Monsters. So here we go. He starts moving into Smallville. So he wrote on that TV series. He wrote on Heroes.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:That. He also wrote on the TV series. Well, it might have been... You know, the TV show doesn't really have a lot in common with this movie. So I'm not sure how involved, but he does have a writing credit for the Teen Wolf TV series that is probably at this point already like 10 years ago.
SPEAKER_02:The only thing I know from that series is when I was pulling clips to begin this episode... And it looked like the look of it reminded me more of Twilight than like the Teen Wolf movie we saw from the 80s. It looked like they had a different tone. Yeah. Because there are like clips saying like. It's much more serious. Yeah. Like when Scott becomes an alpha. What?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Yeah. But he has a credit for that. And then also the TV miniseries Wolverine versus Sabretooth. Oh. So here we go. And like you were saying, like all the other shows that he's done, but also like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. So like he's just in that world. Agent Carter.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Good for him. I bet that pays decent.
SPEAKER_04:I guess to some degree they were writing partners because the other oh yeah he's making bank um but the the other writer on this movie is matthew weisman and it seems like whereas lobe
SPEAKER_02:he goes by mep now
SPEAKER_04:lobe transitioned into like more producing than anything else i don't know if weisman has really stayed in the industry but For some of the credits that I already gave for Loeb, Weissman has the same. So he was the co-writer on Commando. He also has a credit for Teen Wolf 2. He also wrote on Seven Little Monsters, and he also has a credit for the TV series Teen Wolf.
SPEAKER_02:We got to cover the second one now. We have to? Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04:maybe more like year 20 of this podcast but okay uh so those are the writers and moving on to the director rod daniel um i'm not sure if he will come up again this was his first feature film
SPEAKER_02:amazing
SPEAKER_04:yeah so he he has passed he passed in 2016 he does have other film credits, but he did, like, a ton of television. All throughout his career, he did a ton of television. So he worked for a while on the TV series, and specifically, like, directing work. WKRP in Cincinnati. Oh,
SPEAKER_01:yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. I wonder if somebody who is, like, a younger generation would even kind of understand that there was a show about, like, a radio... I never watched it because that was even kind of before... it being on my radar as a kid.
SPEAKER_02:It was on. I was aware of it. Yeah, like reruns.
SPEAKER_04:But to have a show about a radio station?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I mean, they'd had news radio with Phil Hartman. That's
SPEAKER_04:true. Yeah, that's a really good point. It just feels like that's a show that would be obsolete today.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, no. It would be a TV show about people doing a podcast.
SPEAKER_04:Wow. A TV show about people doing a podcast. Interesting. He also directed on a show. I don't know this show. Filthy Rich.
SPEAKER_03:But
SPEAKER_04:some of the movies that he did, like Father Like Son, K-9, The Super, Back to More Television, he directed on Caroline in the City, Boston Common. And then his final credit was in 2002, where he did the TV movie Home Alone 4. colon, taking back the house.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, how old is he in Home Alone 4? Is he just like, is it Home Alone 4, just spending some time alone?
SPEAKER_04:It's definitely not Macaulay Culkin. I don't know if it's like a cousin of Kevin's or if they just like, Kevin stays perpetually suspended in time as a child. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:Like the Simpsons, they just never... Yeah, I have
SPEAKER_04:no idea what the story is,
SPEAKER_02:but... Rod Daniel had a couple... Well, not a couple of great lines, but there was a couple things attributed to him that I thought were interesting. One, when prospective directors were being asked about what this movie is supposed to be about, they would say it's a werewolf movie. And he said, it's about a father and his son. And so ostensibly, that's why he got the job.
SPEAKER_04:I do really like the relationship. I love James Hampton. I think he is so good. We'll get to him for sure. But he's so good in this movie. He is just pitch perfect.
SPEAKER_02:He really is. As
SPEAKER_04:Scott's father. And even more so than... He brings more to that relationship than, dare I say, Michael J. Fox does as his son.
SPEAKER_02:Maybe, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I'm not trying to bash on Michael J. Fox, but...
SPEAKER_02:I mean, he certainly would not care. This is... He hates this movie.
SPEAKER_04:It makes me sad that he does, because I love this movie.
SPEAKER_02:Maybe he did. Maybe he doesn't still.
SPEAKER_04:I feel like... No, I think you're right. And he has, like, that weird attitude about it that, like, other people... Like, you know, Jennifer Aniston won't acknowledge Leprechaun.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, she's in Leprechaun, all right.
SPEAKER_04:And, you know, I know that, like, I don't know if, like, the bad blood has been... rectified but like I know that John Cusack had a real problem with like Better Off Dead and the director of that so it's like these actors have these like weird hang-ups about some of their really early work where I'm like relax
SPEAKER_02:yeah I would say like if Michael J. Fox felt that way at the time and it sounded like he did I can kind of get it if he has aspirations that He's like, I'm not happy being a teen wolf. I have other things. Do you know how many
SPEAKER_04:fucking people would have killed to get this role? That's why I'm eye-rolling. Because it's like, come on, man. You know? Yeah, I know that you, I think he got an Emmy for Family Ties. And I know that Back to the Future, like, propelled him into stardom. But it's like, don't fucking forget your roots, Michael J. Fox.
SPEAKER_02:Your roots are being a werewolf. Your
SPEAKER_04:Teen Wolf roots. Anyway. Cinematography. Tim.
SPEAKER_02:Tim. Good job, Tim. Wait, what do we, let me see who we got here.
SPEAKER_04:Sustret.
SPEAKER_02:Oh. Is that it? I
SPEAKER_04:feel terrible. I am not pronouncing this gentleman's last name correctly, I'm sure. How would you say it?
SPEAKER_02:That could be it. Okay. Let me take a look here. And the
SPEAKER_04:thing is that this is not the first time he's come up, so I probably said it wrong on multiple other occasions.
SPEAKER_02:Ooh.
SPEAKER_04:So I apologize again, Tim.
SPEAKER_02:I'm going to say Tim Surstadt.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, great. So, yes, we have brought him up before, and... Almost certainly, at least for one movie in particular, maybe two, he will circle back. He has done a ton of film work. I have like so many credits for him and TV work, but so many films that I love. So let's start off with some of them. Let's do it. Not to say that this is a film that I love, but he started early in his career with a film called Android and then did The House on Sorority Row, which is horror, which I'd like to check
SPEAKER_02:out. I figured, yeah. It sounded like it was going to be, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Suburbia. Oh, yeah. Space Rage.
SPEAKER_02:Space Rage.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that sounds like fun. Here's the first film that I think we will almost certainly cover with him again, Critters.
SPEAKER_02:We've talked about that. A few times. We're going to do it, huh? It's going to happen. It
SPEAKER_04:may not happen this Halloween series.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, it's definitely going to happen in this. We already have it all, like,
SPEAKER_04:scoped out. We'll talk about that at the end of the episode. But definitely at some point we're going to do Critters. He also shot Mannequin. So that's the other one that I'm sure at some point we will do. We already have talked about him. Was it just, it's like, this year's been a blur. Was it just earlier this year that we did Mystic Pizza?
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:We definitely have covered that, but... I
SPEAKER_04:don't remember if it was this season or last season, but we did it. So go check that one out. I know for sure that much earlier, probably season two, we did Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Yes. So he shot that. He shot Men at Work. Dang it.
SPEAKER_02:1990.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. And Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead. So some TV work. He did the original. He shot some of the original Wonder Years. Picket Fences. Chicago Hope. More films. He did Noises Off. He did The Wedding Singer. Oh, fun. Yeah. Office Space. More TV work. He shot some of Ally McBeal, Grey's Anatomy. More films, Little Miss Sunshine. I mean, he's done so much and so much that people love. Little Miss Sunshine, Idiocracy. He
SPEAKER_02:must have gotten in with Mike Judge pretty good because I see Office Space, Idiocracy, Extract. Those were all his.
SPEAKER_04:That makes a ton of sense. Always Be My Maybe. And wasn't Mike Judge also, correct me if I'm wrong, he did a ton of work on Silicon Valley. Oh, yes.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And most recently, the TV series Bookie. So still very much working. Okay. The composer, Miles Goodman. I love the music. And I'm not talking about the songs. I love so many of the songs. The last one, Lin in the End. I play that song almost weekly. I love that song so much. But the score, Miles Goodman... sadly he passed away in 1996 he was just 46 he had a heart attack it's when you go through his filmography though it's amazing how much he accomplished before he passed away It makes me sad because it makes me think there was probably so much more that he could have given to us, but he did leave us with already an amazing filmography. Earlier in his career, he did some TV work. He composed on a TV show. I don't know this, but I was curious, kind of looking at it. I was like, huh, interesting. A show called James at 16.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, okay. It's
SPEAKER_04:like some kid who moves cross country. I don't know. I was like, wow, they made a show out of that. Okay. Eight is Enough. So he worked on that. So now, films. And actually, we probably have mentioned him before. He did work on The Man Who Wasn't There, but the one that I'm talking about is Little Shop of Horrors.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, sure he came up for that, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Specifically, the motion picture score, because it is a... musical so that's what he worked on there I mean very possibly at some point in the future maybe we'll cover a film like La Bamba he scored that he also worked on Like Father Like Son Dirt Run Scoundrels he also worked on K9 Opportunity Knocks Problem Child a lot of comedy He Said She Said What About Bob he did the Muppet Christmas Carol nice and then his final credit was the film Till There Was You
SPEAKER_02:He had like, between 88 and 89, he had like almost 10 credits.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, it's like he had a heart attack at 46. I don't know if he was working himself too hard. But yeah, I mean, he left us some amazing work. I wish we could have heard more. Film editing. Louis Freeman Fox. Louis FF.
SPEAKER_02:Double F. F squared.
SPEAKER_04:Double F. So... It's funny. It's clear that this group of, minus the cinematographer, but the composer, the editor, and the director worked on a couple projects together. I have almost all films for her. She also worked on Father Like Son. She also worked on Canine. The other dog movie, Turner and Hooch, she worked on that.
SPEAKER_02:I think a lot of people who like Turner and Hooch would call Canine the other dog movie. True,
SPEAKER_04:but chronologically...
SPEAKER_02:Fair enough.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. She cut Air America. She cut the film Stop or My Mom Will Shoot.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah. With Sylvester Stallone. Yes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. And Estelle Getty. Yeah. I put this one in because I remember this being a very seminal TV film and the band played on.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, really? I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:Yes. Okay. To my recollection, it is a film that covered kind of the initial...
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Like when the AIDS epidemic
SPEAKER_02:really blew up. That's exactly what it is. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So she cut that. She did Fantasia 2000. Yeah. Which I thought was interesting. Osmosis Jones. And I think she's retired at this point. Her last credits 20 years ago, 2005, through the Mobius strip.
SPEAKER_01:Cool.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. All right. We're at the stars of the film. So first off, of course, Michael J. Fox. Yeah. It's been a minute since we've brought him up. I mean, we talked about him, what was it, last summer, last season for Back to the Future 2?
SPEAKER_02:That sounds correct.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, so it hasn't been a huge amount of time since we've talked about him, but... I mean, so well known. And he is still working. I think everyone is extremely familiar with the personal battle that he's had with Parkinson's for quite a while at this point. He's a huge advocate for research and discovery around treatment methods around it. But he still is working, for sure. And he has been part of, like, for both film and television, a number of projects that are much beloved. This wasn't, like, his first credit, but, you know, totally his rise to fame was through Family Ties as Alex P. Keaton. So I'm... Anyway, I'm not going to go down that path today. What? Well, okay. So because obviously the conceit in that show, at least part of it was the fact that the parents are hippies. Yes. And he's a young Republican.
SPEAKER_02:He's like the president of the Young Republican Club.
SPEAKER_04:So I just, you know, given things as they are in today's world.
SPEAKER_02:I would say that his character. He
SPEAKER_04:was very fiscally. Like he's very money driven. Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. Yes, he was. Very much so. Like, his dream was to, like, work at a bank or something. Yeah,
SPEAKER_04:yeah. Which nobody's working at a bank today. But anyway. So, Family Ties. Film work preceding Back to the Future. Class of 1984. High School USA. A lot of, like, high school type movies. Makes sense. Yeah, sure. So... Here we go. As we brought up just a couple minutes ago, Back to the Future just launches him.
SPEAKER_02:Thanks, Eric Stoltz.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Yeah. Well...
SPEAKER_02:It's all worked out. It's all worked out fine
SPEAKER_04:for everyone.
SPEAKER_02:movie like
SPEAKER_04:well even Crispin Glover had a like weird take on what he thought the film was and thought that it was like an atrocious ending to basically equate happiness with like materialistic wealth which is very clearly what the McFly family has in the new 1985 anyway so I do feel bad for Stoltz though because they did want Michael J. Fox and the reason why they didn't get him is because of the schedule that he had had on Family Ties and so you know they pull stolts in and then it's just not working out because it's kind of like when you're dating someone you're like well i don't really want to be with you but i couldn't be with the person i really wanted to be with and so but now they're available but now they're available so now i'm gonna dump you anyway uh so yeah he does the entire trilogy back to the future one two and three huge success uh follows that up well like i said this film was supposed to come out beforehand and they shelved it for a while until Back to the Future came out and that was the right move.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think so. I don't
SPEAKER_04:know how successful or well-known this film would have been had it come out before.
SPEAKER_02:It was easier to watch Teen Wolf separating Marty McFly and Scott, I think, than it would have been seeing someone who I had just watched become a werewolf now going back in time.
SPEAKER_04:That's a good point. Yeah. He does The Secret of My Success, which at some point we might do. I mean, honestly, a couple of these films we could, although I don't know how much I want to do Bright Lights, Big City. He goes
SPEAKER_02:off in very different directions. Yeah,
SPEAKER_04:and now I think this came up the last time we talked about him. He starts doing the serious work. Yeah. So Bright Lights, Big City, Casualties of War. This is not a serious movie, but he goes back to comedy. He does Doc Hollywood. He is... fantastic in the frighteners
SPEAKER_02:yeah that's probably like my favorite movie like once you get beyond a teen wolf and back to the future trilogy yeah it's really good
SPEAKER_04:very good very very good in that film that's a great horror film i wish it was 80s but uh and then He largely– his career has largely been in television for kind of the latter part of his career. So he was the headliner on Spin City and– To my recollection, there came a point where what he was contenting with as far as his physical health prevented him from continuing with that show. And so he stepped away and Charlie Sheen stepped in
SPEAKER_03:until
SPEAKER_04:that show ended, which is kind of funny because then the same thing happened to Charlie Sheen on Two and a Half Men.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:More mental health than physical health. But anyway.
SPEAKER_02:More in terms of it being about 100%. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:He, though, has had stints on Boston Legal. I mean, he had. I remember that. Yeah. The Michael J. Fox show. So that was around for a minute. He was on The Good Wife. I remember. I wonder if he got any Emmy love for that. He was on The Good Wife for a while. Designated Survivor. And then more recently, The Good Fight. So same world. So probably same character. And. What I have noticed, especially the last time we watched it for this episode, his physical comedy is great. Yeah,
SPEAKER_02:you called out when he was sliding down the hall to get to the restroom.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that was really him. So he didn't do that. Apparently, he's not a great dancer. He
SPEAKER_02:had a basketball double. He
SPEAKER_04:did, too.
SPEAKER_02:Played by someone who at the time was playing college basketball. And this was the other quote or fact, I guess, attributed to Daniel, the director, was that somewhere there's a vault of about an hour of the most embarrassing sports footage ever taken.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. I mean, he did have somebody step in with him. But I do think he did a lot of the basketball scenes himself as well. Because you can see it.
SPEAKER_02:It's him. Yeah. They didn't have the technology. Yeah,
SPEAKER_04:it's him. They didn't like put his head on somebody else. And I think, you know, I read too that Because of that, everything had to be– which it's like that makes complete sense. It's for anything in film or television. It has to be choreographed. I guess at some point Fox was like, can we just wing it? And that's probably what you're alluding to. Can we just
SPEAKER_02:play some pickup ball?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and I guess that did not turn out well. It
SPEAKER_02:wouldn't– yeah, no. I could see how that wouldn't work if you're trying to actually film something and get specific looks at players.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I mean I– I really like him in this film because, again, I think he does well with the physical comedy. Whether or not in the moment that he was filming this– because this preceded Back to the Future, so I think he was committed to the performance at the time. It was just after the fact that once he got his stardom, he maybe felt a certain way about the movie.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:in retrospect but he I think does a really good job of committing to this like high schooler who finds out that he's also a werewolf and
SPEAKER_02:it sounds crazy when you say it out loud
SPEAKER_04:but he he does great like in the scene where he's in the bathroom and it's the first full transformation the way that he looks at himself when it wants the transformation like he's really good at being like oh my god you know like it's he sells it
SPEAKER_02:which is tough to do when you have like four hours yes makeup and prosthetics and everything yeah
SPEAKER_04:he really sells it i mean he the the the one thing that i think they could have maybe done with a lighter touch is the fact that like all throughout the movie like i get it but like all throughout the movie he's like i'm so normal i'm so average i want to be different and i want to just be like everybody else and it's like
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he does say that a lot.
SPEAKER_04:A lot. Yeah. And I was like, I don't know if I needed that for this story. I don't know, but he is good. I think that he did as well as anybody could have in this role. I'm trying to think of other young actors at the time. Could you imagine Tom Cruise doing this? I mean, I
SPEAKER_02:don't have to imagine Jason Bateman because we can just watch it and then we'll know.
SPEAKER_04:But of his contemporaries at this time who were also big names and probably could have been up for the role, I
SPEAKER_02:Tom Cruise would have just been like, absolutely not.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Or at the time, he was probably still super popular, like Timothy Hutton or just other really young actors. Anybody from the Outsiders, Emilio Estevez, Charlie Sheen. Any of these people probably would have been in
SPEAKER_02:talks. I could see some of those working. Yeah.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Estevez over Sheen.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. But Fox did a great job in this. Okay, moving on to James Hampton, who plays Scott's father, Harold
SPEAKER_02:Howard. Harold Howard. Two first names. That's how you know the family is cursed.
SPEAKER_04:He's so good in this. And he has passed away. He passed away in 2021. And... I just love him in this movie so much.
SPEAKER_02:He's a good dad.
SPEAKER_04:He's such a good dad. Probably he should have had a conversation with Scott, even though he was hoping it would skip a generation. Probably should have had the talk.
SPEAKER_02:It landed right on his face.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, exactly. So that maybe as a dad, maybe you should have given your kid a heads up because that would be, I mean, that is more shocking than even the opening scene in Carrie, right? Where, like, Carrie doesn't know about periods. And, like, this would be far more upsetting.
SPEAKER_02:What if he tells him and shows, because he's going to tell him and he's not going to believe his dad. So then he's going to shift into a werewolf. Really a
SPEAKER_04:chipmunk.
SPEAKER_02:And then what if it does skip his generation?
SPEAKER_04:Well, that's still good for him to know because he will probably maybe have children. Yeah. And they'll have to know. So so he needs to know regardless. He might
SPEAKER_02:have kids, but he spent the whole movie not recognizing the one woman who is interested in. So he might not.
SPEAKER_04:It's such a cliche, though, of like the best friend waiting in the wings who like it
SPEAKER_02:was very. Oh, my gosh. The John Hughes movie that we were. Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Or like that Taylor Swift song. Like it's all it's just such a cliche anyway. But James Hampton is. Had a long career. I mean, a lot of TV work, to be quite honest. I do have a couple notable films, but very early in his career, he was on the TV show F Troop. He was on the Doris Day show for a while. A film, The Cat from Outer Space.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I love that movie. When I was a kid, I loved that movie. It was so ridiculous.
SPEAKER_04:Are you being serious right now?
SPEAKER_02:I am being 100% serious. Yeah? Do you
SPEAKER_04:remember him in this movie?
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Oh,
SPEAKER_02:okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:The cat from outer space. He also was in The China Syndrome. It's funny. We brought this up just a couple weeks ago. He was also on the TV show Maggie. We brought it up because, oh my gosh, Cousin Catherine from National Lampoon's Vacation. She was Maggie. Oh. So, yeah, I was just like, didn't we just bring that up a couple weeks ago? He voiced because there was a animated Teen Wolf series. So he reprises his role as the dad. He, for a while, was on the soap opera Days of Our Lives. More films pump up the volume. Sling Blade. And then his final credit was a video called The Association. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But
SPEAKER_04:even beyond what I've mentioned, a lot of TV work, like one-offs, two-offs.
SPEAKER_02:I feel like that's what would have happened back in the 80s, 90s. There's a successful movie and you spin it off, not into a TV show, but into an animated thing.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that seemed very common, right? They did it with Ghostbusters.
SPEAKER_02:Ghostbusters, Back to the Future, Teen Wolf. I guess it would be... It wouldn't make sense if I said He-Man because that already started as a cartoon then.
SPEAKER_04:Right. That
SPEAKER_02:was the opposite, wasn't it? Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, it'd be funny if they did that with like crazy serious films. Like, could you imagine if they did like a cartoon of like The Godfather?
SPEAKER_02:Holy shit. That'd be amazing.
SPEAKER_04:Kind of would be.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I claim that idea. That would be so funny to have cartoons of just like a cartoon of deliverance. Holy shit.
SPEAKER_02:That really escalated quickly. You
SPEAKER_04:know that there's an audience for that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_02:I think there's maybe an audience for Animated Godfather, but I don't know if there's an audience for Animated Deliverance.
SPEAKER_04:We'll try out that. We'll test that theory. Anyway, moving on to Boof, which I guess, which I'm like, Boof? What the hell kind of? Obviously, it's a nickname. I don't think they... ever call her by her real name, which I guess is Lisa. It
SPEAKER_02:is, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:But I don't think a single person ever calls her that in the film.
SPEAKER_02:Lisa Boof Marconi, based on one of the writer's high school girlfriends, that really was her name.
SPEAKER_04:You know, I get it, nicknames, but it's just, it's always stuck out to me. Like, what a crazy nickname
SPEAKER_03:for a girl. Why? Why?
SPEAKER_04:It didn't have to, just because your girlfriend in high school had that nickname, you didn't have to give it to the character. But, oh well, I guess it's like an homage. So, played by Susan Ursitti, is the way I'm going to say her last name. Yeah. So, she very much has just... I'm not going to say retired because she wasn't an older actor. She just decided to do other things with her life. She married. She had a family. I read that I think she does a lot of charity work. She married into a Hollywood family. Anyway. So most of her work is from the 80s. Preceding this film, she was in the comedy Zapped.
SPEAKER_02:Which is basically, what if we combined Porky's and telekinesis? Terrible. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:She's in that. She's in a film called Funland, Due in Time on Planet Earth. This has absolutely nothing to do with zombies, but she is in the 1995 film The Walking Dead. Okay. And then her last credit was a short from 97. So she's already been out of the game. for like what almost 30 years it's just 976 wish is the short so
SPEAKER_02:Apparently, because this was, like, the second, like, major thing that she was in. She was
SPEAKER_04:really early in her career.
SPEAKER_02:She slapped the shit out of Michael J. Fox when she was... She didn't understand, like, a stage kind of slap. I get it. The director worked with her because she, like, really rocked him the first time. Some
SPEAKER_04:people, though, are legitimately like, no, really slapped me. Yeah. For, like, they were all method about it. So... You never know. You never know.
SPEAKER_02:Just start off that way and then find
SPEAKER_04:out. Okay. Moving on to Jerry. Would you say Levine or Levine?
SPEAKER_02:Oh, that's a tough one. I think either one is a viable option. So I'm just going to say Levine.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. So such a memorable character. I mean, like, look, virtually every fucking teen movie has like the sidekick, the best friend sidekick. Boof is like the female best friend. Stiles... is the buddy and the one who super capitalizes off the fact that scott is a teen wolf so
SPEAKER_02:he gives him the name
SPEAKER_04:yeah he he really is a fun character i mean we briefly brought it up at the tail end of last episode There's a couple mildly problematic things in this film. The most egregious is a conversation he has with Scott in the garage where he uses slurs.
SPEAKER_02:They drop a couple F-bombs.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's not great. But otherwise, he is an entertaining character. His whole thing is wearing T-shirts with... weird phrases or funny phrases on them. Like, what are you looking at? Dick knows, things like that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that was one of them.
SPEAKER_04:That was one of them. This was his first film credit. Not his first credit overall, but his first film credit. And he has been very busy as an actor, but he has, I think, largely pivoted into TV directing. He directs a ton of different TV projects. But specifically, as far as his acting work goes, especially in the 80s, he still was very active in front of the camera. He was in Iron Eagle, Out of Bounds, Casual Sex, question mark. A TV show called The Bronx Zoo. He also was in K-9. So he re-teams with Daniel. He was in... I don't... You saw this? I really haven't. Born on the 4th of July. Man,
SPEAKER_02:that is a really, really good movie that is really hard to watch at times. I think it has come up in one of our... It's come up a ton, yeah. Because you see Tom Cruise's character go through this journey where he's questioning... what it means to be an American or a patriot or just a man. By the time you get to the end, watching the end of that movie and then thinking about what we're experiencing now, it's just... I don't know if it should just be expected. Sometimes I feel like we've learned nothing. Oh, I think that's clear. Yeah. I
SPEAKER_04:think that's abundantly clear.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because... The message has been out for quite a while, and we just didn't listen, and now here's where we are.
SPEAKER_04:Do you remember Levine in it?
SPEAKER_02:I'd have to see it again, and I don't know if
SPEAKER_04:I'm
SPEAKER_02:racing to watch it again. Yeah. Yeah, I can't think of who he would have been.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. he was also in the tv show going places the film swimming with sharks that's a film that i wouldn't watch again it's just so in so filled with anxiety like it's just you're walking on which i'm sure yeah and i'm sure it's so intentional and frank wally i believe um who is young he's uh archie graham yeah that's
SPEAKER_02:okay yeah
SPEAKER_04:so um Anyway, he's in that TV series, Muscle, Will and Grace. And I think I do remember him guesting on that. And then more recently, American Sports Story. I think he's, oh man, Robert Kraft. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Okay. I think he plays Robert Kraft. Okay, moving on to the weird friend in this film,
SPEAKER_02:Lewis. I mean, I don't know if he's weird. He's a little concerned that there is a teen wolf among them.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I don't know what to think about him. He... So, played by Matt Adler. He just... Is an interesting character, because I can't quite nail down what he's supposed to be about. He gets almost no lines.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he's kind of like, I'm just here. My character doesn't really matter that much, so... There's
SPEAKER_04:a lot of reaction shots.
SPEAKER_02:How'd you get that keg of beer? Okay.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and... Yeah, you're right. He obviously... But, okay, so... Scott definitely goes on a journey where he goes from being super self-conscious about being the Teen Wolf to really loving the spotlight, the limelight that he gets for it. And Lewis... doesn't like this change in scott i don't think it's so much about the teen wolf but he he thinks that scott's just acting kind of obnoxious i think
SPEAKER_02:i think he was kind of a well there was a little bit of fear when they're at the was it the dance where scott rips mick's shirt off
SPEAKER_04:but even lewis is doing that stupid dance with everybody else like i specifically saw a cutaway to him where he's enjoying himself when he's doing the whole choreography that fucking dance it's like the african ant eater dance which we still need to do that movie too um can't buy i mean love yeah but yeah i love when there's just like spontaneous choreography at school dances
SPEAKER_02:that that's like that
SPEAKER_04:have never been done before that's
SPEAKER_02:definitely a thing from like 80s and 90s teen movies that now is like parodied or there's like a self-awareness of it in movies now
SPEAKER_04:probably the funniest one i want to say is actually um She's all that. There's just this epic, totally choreographed dance sequence in that
SPEAKER_02:film. Which works and is expected if it's a musical. Sure. But when it's otherwise just a regular movie and then it busts out into that, what just happened?
SPEAKER_04:Yes. In any case, Lewis... And the thing is that he's there and then he's kind of just not there anymore. And then
SPEAKER_02:he's there just so we know he's concerned.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I don't know if there's supposed to be more with this character and his relationship with Scott and it got cut. I don't know. It just feels like he's there, but he's not. It's a very strange character to me. Very lukewarm in terms of... What they bring to the table. And I'm not trying to slam Adler. I think you only can work with what you're given. Yeah. But in any case, he is still working. Earlier in his career, and honestly, there's other films that we could cover that he is in. He's in Flight of the Navigator.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:So he's in that. Whitewater Summer, which this one only came on my radar this year, but it has like Kevin Bacon in it as well. Like, I'm like, huh, never heard of this film until now. So he's in that. He, I think, is the headliner in the film North Shore. Oh,
SPEAKER_02:yeah, I think so. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. So he's in that. He's also in Doing Time on Planet Earth. So he's in that as well. Dream a Little Dream. The Peacemaker. He is, I think, doing a ton of voice work later in his career. So a couple TV series, which is just a couple. There's much more than this. The Big O. And then also Shaggy and Scooby-Doo Get a Clue.
SPEAKER_02:And he also... He voiced one of the characters. I don't know who Wala is. I can't think of who that was in Akira, but he voiced some of the English voices for that, which...
SPEAKER_04:I had a feeling you might bring that up.
SPEAKER_02:When I see that, I usually just have the original Japanese with English subtitles. But yeah, that's super cool. I don't know that we would ever do or cover Akira for that reason. There would be almost no one...
SPEAKER_04:Sure.
SPEAKER_02:When we're going through credits, there would be nothing that we'd be able to tie. Probably
SPEAKER_04:familiarity, yeah. Okay, moving on to Pamela, the hot girl that Scott wants to get with.
SPEAKER_02:Man, it's sad. He is so obsessed with her. It's pathetic. He approaches her at the party and says, looking for someone. And she just says, not you. And walks away. And that really should have been it.
SPEAKER_04:And this is already after him very awkwardly being like, I'd really love to give you a ride to the party. And she's just like, no, thank you. And then her boyfriend comes and literally sweeps her off her feet.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you're right. That should have been it. If he's like, you know what? I'm going to take a second shot at this party. What are we fucking doing after that?
SPEAKER_04:And it kind of makes me feel a certain way about Scott because I was like, you don't have anything in common. You really know nothing about her except for the fact that she's physically attractive. And you're coming on really hard. I also understand that regardless of a boyfriend, that would not be– the way to try to engage with somebody that you're interested in.
SPEAKER_02:You know what he did in this movie? He turned Boof into like someone on Love is Blind who gets picked second. That's what he did to her.
SPEAKER_04:Yes. So Lori Griffin is the actor. This was her very first credit. And she also has pivoted out of acting. So I only really have a handful of credits for her. Mostly films. She was in Aloha Summer. Cheerleader Camp.
SPEAKER_02:Is that a horror movie?
SPEAKER_04:Kind of sounds like it,
SPEAKER_02:doesn't it? Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Sandman. And then her last credit was also 1997. So she's kind of been out of the acting world for a minute. A TV series called The Burning Zone. Okay. But yeah, I mean... Look, it's so clear. And also it's just weird because it's like, even when they were at that party, I don't know how to explain it, but like, you know, so Scott and Boof do essentially like seven seconds in heaven or whatever it is in the closet.
SPEAKER_02:They were in there for a couple minutes.
SPEAKER_04:They were in there for a couple minutes, but it's like the same idea. Like they're told to go in there and do whatever you want to
SPEAKER_02:do.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:They kiss. And I was like, is this not the first time you guys have kissed before? Like, I would think if this is the first time I'm kissing, like, my best friend, it would be a way bigger deal. But then it's kind of a nothing after the fact. Like, it never comes up again. He's still interested in Pamela.
SPEAKER_02:They were real casual.
SPEAKER_04:It was real casual.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I don't know what he did with Pamela when he was the wolf after the play rehearsal thing. Got them howling.
SPEAKER_04:I think they slept together.
SPEAKER_02:Because if you're a boof. Right. You might be like, you know what? Right. Exactly. But hey, this is a small town in either California or Nebraska. I'm not sure. Yeah, limited options, I guess.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, they did. I mean, they did a ton of filming. I think specifically like maybe Pasadena. They were like working on the same block that Back to the Future had filmed stuff on.
SPEAKER_02:Their homes. Yeah. Scott's home and the McFly's home. It's like
SPEAKER_04:always Pasadena. They do have beautiful homes in Pasadena. So, yeah, I feel I feel kind of I mean, obviously, Pamela is definitely interested in Scott once he gets that popularity because of the wolf. That's a big turn on for her. So she's not like a...
SPEAKER_02:Also weird.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. And I love how she's like, a wolf isn't supposed to be shy. I'm like, what are you talking about? I would say that instinctually, a wolf would run away if they saw a human. So yes, they are shy. I didn't worry. That was just a weird line to me. I don't know. Moving on. So moving on to her boyfriend, I guess, Mick, who looks about 48 years old in this film. Really, he was about 28. But he and, like, Stiles, those two in particular, I'm like, not high school students. Like, he even looks older than, like, what his age was in the film. Very much so. Yeah. Mark Arnold. And, you know, he's the baddie. He's the, like, tough boyfriend who hates Scott even before he knows he's a Teen Wolf.
SPEAKER_02:He's such a dick. Yeah. Like, when they have the first game, like, to open up the movie, and that was a fucking foul, by the way. They didn't call that foul. But he just, like, pulls him up, and he's like, you guys suck.
SPEAKER_04:So he's the bully boyfriend. And he's super busy. He has been working, working, working ever since.
SPEAKER_02:I thought you meant in the movie because he's everywhere. He doesn't even go to the school. I know
SPEAKER_04:he is. He's in so many scenes. I'm like, you're just the boyfriend who doesn't even go to the school. How are you everywhere? He's everywhere. Yeah. So he has like kind of earlier in his career, a lot of TV work. I don't know what the show is, but he was in 400. That's what IMDb is saying. 476 episodes.
UNKNOWN:Wow.
SPEAKER_04:of a show called The Edge of Night. That could be a typo because they've done that before with like, they might just be alluding to the entirety
SPEAKER_02:of the show. It's from 1980 to 1983. I don't know. I
SPEAKER_04:don't know. There was an episode every day. But you're seeing the same thing I did, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I don't
SPEAKER_02:know. So, okay. The Edge of Night was a TV series that began in 1956.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, well, there you go. He was born in 1957, I believe, so maybe he was on there as a baby. Fuck. Grew up with the show. Maybe. So that's currently what they have him down for. All
SPEAKER_03:right.
SPEAKER_04:He's done a number of different soap operas. He was on Santa Barbara. And I read that, like, I think it was for Santa Barbara. He wanted to time the coming out of this film with his character getting killed. To
SPEAKER_02:mark it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, so that he could promote it. He was also on One Life to Live. And then I have... Kind of all films for him after that. So Alien Encounter. I'm not sure to what degree the... Because I don't know if I remember him in Kingsman, The Golden Circle. I
SPEAKER_02:don't remember a lot from... I remember the first one. Yeah. The Golden Circle, what I most remember is someone not really having to die from a hand grenade. So
SPEAKER_04:stupid. Come on. It was such a dumb death.
SPEAKER_02:Do better. He
SPEAKER_04:does have a part in Blade Runner 2049. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah. He's an interviewer or something, right? I
SPEAKER_04:think
SPEAKER_02:so. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Angel Has Fallen, Zack Snyder's Justice League, A Christmas Story Christmas, which we were not able to get through. I know our friend. Didn't we try again? Didn't
SPEAKER_02:we try again? We may have watched it. We may have actually gotten through it. I
SPEAKER_04:don't recall that. But also, this has got to be a throwback to this film. He was in Werewolf Santa.
UNKNOWN:What?
SPEAKER_04:And he actually has also– like, if you go through his filmography, I don't know if it's, like, buddies of his or just he's up for any project, but he's in a ton of shorts. That's cool. Like, a lot of shorts.
SPEAKER_02:You know, it's not– I feel like the actors who play these roles where they're just such dicks, sometimes pretty nice people. Oh, sure. Acting.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Yeah. Acting. So speaking of dicks– Mr. Thorne, who apparently is the vice principal. Yeah. It's not even the head principal. Played by James MacKrell. Yeah. MacKrell? I think it's MacKrell.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, we'll go with MacKrell.
SPEAKER_04:He is currently on the cusp of his 88th birthday. So that means like 40 years ago, They had to have aged him up, right? Because he was only in his 40s when he did this film, and he looks about 20 years older. I
SPEAKER_02:still think with, like, costume and makeup and stuff, you can... It's
SPEAKER_04:wild, though, that he's only in his 40s in this film. Yeah. Anyway, his filmography, some really fun titles. So he's in another horror, well, horror, but werewolf-specific film. He's in The Howling.
SPEAKER_02:Not The Howling 2.
SPEAKER_04:No. The original. So, which we still have yet to do. Yeah. He was in the TV series Romance Theater. I don't know if I remember him in Gremlins. We have covered that one. That was all the way back in season one. But I'm not sure if I remember who he is specifically.
SPEAKER_02:A news guy, maybe? Oh,
SPEAKER_04:yeah. I think you're right. Yep. You absolutely are. Most fun title ever... Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death. Say what? He is in a film with that title.
SPEAKER_02:Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death. Oh, it's 89. Oh.
SPEAKER_04:So you're saying there's a chance. He's in Defending Your Life, Dream Machine. So I think he's probably retired. His last credit was in 2016 for Last Man Club. And he's been on just a ton. Like, he's had... Like one episode stints on a ton of TV shows. So there you go. Okay, this guy, I do think he's actually hilarious. Jay Tarsis. So he's Coach Flunstock. He's so funny. He's pretty good. I think he's great in this film.
SPEAKER_02:He's pretty good,
SPEAKER_04:yeah. He is such a character. Like just from the jump, he is just... For a small role, he completely embodies this, like, I don't give a fuck.
SPEAKER_02:I love in the very first game at the beginning of the movie when he's like, yeah, we just want to forfeit.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And the other coach, who is someone that we recognize. I
SPEAKER_04:think he's a Murray brother.
SPEAKER_02:Was like, I have three players going for scoring records. So they did not forfeit. But yeah, he was a character.
SPEAKER_04:Now I'm looking for... That Murray brother. I should have done it earlier.
SPEAKER_02:For the other coach, yeah. For
SPEAKER_04:the other coach. So he is still, I think he might be like retired, but he is 86 years old. Still with us. Also, so he is hilarious in this role, but I think more so over the course of his career, he's been like a writer slash producer. So that's like more so what his jam was. This is interesting to me. Because he has a couple related uncredited credits. He has an uncredited credit for both The Great Muppet Caper and The Muppets Take Manhattan. I'm like, how come you keep getting uncredited for these Muppet movies? Interesting. Yeah, right? Other... Oh, you know what? I did do specifically acting. Maybe he was just doing a favor for somebody. Maybe he, like, I don't know, Jim Henson, that whole world, maybe he was just pals.
SPEAKER_02:Uncredited Favors. Yeah. That'd be the name of my movie. Uncredited Favors.
SPEAKER_04:Yes. He was in, because I am doing acting credits, so open all night. He... I don't know if it's preceding or after the fact, but he was on Family Ties. So he re-teams with Michael J. Fox. The Duck Factory.
SPEAKER_01:The Duck Factory.
SPEAKER_04:Don't know it, but it was a TV show. And he also was a big-time writer on this. The Days and Nights of Molly Dodd. I remember that. That TV show. Yeah. And My Boys. So moving on to Mark Holton. Plays, I mean, not the best name. Chubby. No.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Not the best name. But he is, I mean, there's like a good rounded out, I guess, group of friends in this film now that I'm thinking about it. Between Stiles, Lewis, and Chubby.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I will always remember him from Pee Wee's Big Adventure.
SPEAKER_04:And that is my very first credit for him. Francis. Yeah. And we haven't done that yet, but that probably would be the other film that we would do with him. Yeah. I guess potentially my chauffeur. He does reprise his role in Teen Wolf 2, so he comes back. Oh, my God. Yeah. So he's in that. He is in the original The Naked Gun, colon, from The Files of Police Squad.
SPEAKER_01:Cool.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Oh, I wasn't even thinking about this when I mentioned it earlier. He's in a lot of the Leprechaun movies, right?
SPEAKER_02:And he comes back, right? So he's in Leprechaun Returns?
SPEAKER_04:Yes, he is. And then a short called Leprechaun Revenge.
SPEAKER_02:Was he in the first one?
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:Yes, he was in the first one. Do you remember him from A League of Their Own?
SPEAKER_02:No.
SPEAKER_04:He's a real bit part, but actually was perfect casting. He is the adult. I think the kid's still well.
SPEAKER_02:The adult version of the of the kid that they brought.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, my God. That's awesome. So perfect, perfect casting for that. He was in My Life, Little Giants and The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle.
SPEAKER_02:And this show just keeps coming up. He was in one episode of Sledgehammer.
SPEAKER_04:You
SPEAKER_02:do keep bringing it up. I'm not bringing it up. It's just there. All
SPEAKER_04:right. Film synopsis. An ordinary high school student discovers that his family has an unusual pedigree. That's
SPEAKER_02:it. Oh, I get it. Yes. Yeah, I get it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that works.
SPEAKER_02:I mean. What are you going to do? It's a movie about a kid in high school turning into a werewolf. There you go. That's a better synopsis. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, I don't know why they're being so coy about it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's in the name. We know. Yeah,
SPEAKER_04:exactly. Maybe that's why. Maybe they're like, well, it's already the title. Yeah. This is a film that... I don't know if it was, like, on cable a ton when I was a kid. This is just strangely one of those 80s movies that I just remember seeing a million times when I was a kid.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. No, same. It's carried through. Like, it's always on now. Yes. I'm not even looking for it. Right. It's just, like, constantly on, like, any number of channels that if we're just, like, scrolling through cable and not using a streaming service, it's like, oh, there you go.
SPEAKER_04:Yes. No, same. And so... i don't know how i would feel about it if maybe i had only seen it for the first time five years ago but that's not the case i grew up with this film yeah and so it does carry like a ton of nostalgia for me um probably doesn't hurt that i do absolutely adore that song when in the end by mark saffin i
SPEAKER_02:never noticed the like it's
SPEAKER_04:so fucking good
SPEAKER_02:the weird stop animation that they do yeah that's weird at the end yeah
SPEAKER_04:but that song there's a banger And I'm saying that it's just as good as Eye of the Tiger. It gets you pumped up. There are a handful of 80s films where I'm like, okay. The film's good for different reasons, but there's always one song. I do love the song, The NeverEnding Story. Love, love, love, love that song.
SPEAKER_02:It's a good song.
SPEAKER_04:I know everybody jokes about it, but the actual song that comes from that saxophone moment in The Lost Boys.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah. I still believe.
SPEAKER_04:I still believe. That is a fucking amazing song.
SPEAKER_02:You're the best around from Karate Kid? That
SPEAKER_04:one, I mean, that's not one that I'm going to- I'm not going to put that one on. Come on. But, like, some films, and this is one of them, just out of nowhere, they have these incredible songs.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And I love that song
SPEAKER_02:so much. That Kumite song from Bloodsport? No. Oh.
SPEAKER_04:But, anyway, so that probably helps, like, solidify it for me as a film that I really love. But, yeah, it's... And, like, look, spoiler, you know, he and Boof do end up in the end... He wins. Here's the thing, though, about that final basketball game. In what world would he not just be suited up and ready to go at the outset of the game? He walks in when the game's already in session. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. The basketball depicted in this movie did not always make sense. No. There were a lot of scenes where he, as the wolf, was... like kind of getting ready to jump towards the basket. And then it would cut to him doing completely different move. And I would try to like figure out in my mind, like, wait, how could he have, I don't, Hmm. So they're like, I just, the basketball in this is like cars in the blues brothers. It just doesn't, it doesn't make any sense. We just kind of enjoy it.
SPEAKER_04:And that was one thing that I was like, ah, I don't think he would just like walk out in the middle of the game and Because it's also like, okay, if the expectation was that he was going to play this game as a wolf,
SPEAKER_02:everybody would be like, where is he? They were going to start him as the wolf, and then he would finish. But then instead, they had him come in when they had him come in and just play his whole part as Scott the human. But that's
SPEAKER_04:my point, is that no player would just walk into the game midway through the game. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It doesn't seem like it's something that would happen very often. I don't know what the high school basketball rules in Nebraska were at that time. And
SPEAKER_04:then when Mick is just staring him down, that would
SPEAKER_02:not happen. That was really annoying. I didn't understand. Was he shooting a technical? Was he just shooting free throws from a foul?
SPEAKER_04:He got two shots.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Normally the guys would be lined up.
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Had time just expired and I didn't realize it?
SPEAKER_04:No, time did expire.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:But I still think that there would be rules around where the opposing player should stand.
SPEAKER_02:I don't think they would have allowed Mick to just like mean bug him from the end of the... Exactly. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And then also, they're so drenched
SPEAKER_02:in sweat. It is
SPEAKER_04:wild. Like literally dripping.
SPEAKER_02:Pouring. Pouring off their faces. Yep. Yep.
SPEAKER_04:But that is the climax of the film, of this championship game.
SPEAKER_02:It's a free throw.
SPEAKER_04:It's a free throw. And he wins it as the human Scott, not the werewolf Scott.
SPEAKER_02:Because it turns out the power was within him. The whole time.
SPEAKER_04:The whole time. And his teammates. His teammates also really stepped it up in that final game. A little shout out. I didn't even like because he has no lines and you only ever see him in the background. But like one of the other basketball players on Scott's team is a character that's also in Camp I Me Love. Oh. So it's kind of just funny to see that.
SPEAKER_02:Apparently there's someone in the background in the stands towards the end that it looks like there are flies unzipped. And this created a rumor that someone like exposed themselves, which immediately made me think of Grease 2.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:But no, it was a woman who was in the stands, an extra, and whatever she was given to wear or whatever she had to wear was too tight, so she had unbuttoned. Oh, my God. Really? Yeah. So that's why. That's so
SPEAKER_04:interesting that they gave the extras wardrobe.
SPEAKER_02:Well, maybe she just made a bad choice with her own clothes selection that day. I don't know. But no one exposed themselves. There
SPEAKER_04:might be guidelines for background actors in terms of what they want them to wear, but I don't think usually wardrobe's provided.
SPEAKER_02:Wear pants that are too tight. so you have to unbutton them and create a controversy. That's so
SPEAKER_04:funny. Apparently, all those extras were super stoked to be there, and they just showed up every day. They didn't have to worry about having enough extras.
SPEAKER_02:They were very, very enthusiastic for what seemed like pretty low-quality high school basketball. Oh,
SPEAKER_04:and another thing that I had forgotten about is apparently part of what jump-started this film into production was the fact that Valley Girl, the film we just did, had performed so well, so the studio wanted another really cheap teen film.
SPEAKER_02:Hey, we just had pretty good success with this Valley Girl movie. What's that about? About this guy and this Valley Girl. How about we have a werewolf movie? We
SPEAKER_04:can call it Teen Wolf.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, sure. Just the same. Let's do it.
SPEAKER_04:So all that aside, I mean, I love this movie. It's
SPEAKER_02:like stupidness and all. Yeah, I know. I'm sure it benefits greatly from... Michael J. Fox being in it, from the great performance from his dad in the movie. It's such a ridiculous concept.
SPEAKER_04:scenes well it's like he's obviously a werewolf
SPEAKER_02:that beginning clip where he's getting the keg of beer he has a there's a voice right there that you never hear again
SPEAKER_04:ever
SPEAKER_02:like it's so dark it is it is amazing i wish i wish he sounded like that the whole rest of the movie
SPEAKER_04:i guess that that first scene when he is playing basketball where he like Everybody else becomes aware because he goes through a full transformation. They all pile on him.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:You do hear like a growling. Yeah. And then he appears.
SPEAKER_02:You know who did the growls? The director. All of them.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:He did really
SPEAKER_02:good. He did. Great job. Good growls.
SPEAKER_04:Good growls. So I think we both are already in agreement and have answered the question of would I watch this film again?
SPEAKER_02:I'm going to say yes.
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I'm sure we'll watch it a million times more. No,
SPEAKER_02:I want to watch part two, just see how bad it is. I
SPEAKER_04:don't know. I mean, Call to Action, actually, I mean, that's so hard when you switch out the main actor. Like, that's a tough one. That's not just like a side character. That's like the character.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:The title character. Yeah. You've swapped out.
SPEAKER_02:Teen Wolf also.
SPEAKER_04:I'd be curious to know if other people have seen the Jason Bateman sequel.
SPEAKER_02:People have seen it. I'm sure.
SPEAKER_04:Somebody has.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:But I'd like to know if there's something that I'm disregarding without really having seen it. So is there worth something to see? Is
SPEAKER_02:Bateman werewolf teen movie, is it worth watching?
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SPEAKER_02:Oh.
SPEAKER_04:What do you think I'm going to say next? I'm
SPEAKER_02:not sure. I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:We are finally at.
SPEAKER_02:Are we starting the Halloween
SPEAKER_04:series? My favorite time of the year.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, we're recording this on August 9th. So, yeah, we've already started. We've already started preparing for Halloween. This
SPEAKER_04:is the soft launch. Yeah. It's not a horror film. No. Teen Wolf, that is. It's not. But it's a nice little segue into our Halloween series. But I am leaving it at that because although you were saying earlier in the episode that we've solidified all like our final five picks, I don't know if that's quite true. Oh? So
SPEAKER_02:we're
SPEAKER_04:going to leave it a little bit mysterious.
SPEAKER_02:We're going to regroup offline.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. And I mean, I think probably, but I'd like to just, you know, one last time. over because every year we only get about five movies
SPEAKER_02:yeah
SPEAKER_04:so we gotta make sure they're all good ones
SPEAKER_02:so get ready for the next episode which will involve untitled halloween movie
SPEAKER_04:horror yeah titled horror film
SPEAKER_02:yeah
SPEAKER_04:and in the meantime thank you to everyone for taking the time to listen to our podcast we really appreciate it with all the different options that you have out there and we will talk to you again in two weeks time