'80s Movie Montage

Prom Night

• Anna Keizer & Derek Dehanke • Season 5 • Episode 22

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In the last episode of this season's Halloween Series, Anna and Derek chat about if Slick actually deserved to die, just how bad we're supposed to feel for sociopath kids who get what's coming to them, and much more during their discussion of the disco-tastic slasher flick Prom Night (1980). 

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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.

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so

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Hello and welcome to 80s Movie Montage. This is Derek.

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And this is Anna.

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And I don't often say this about people in horror movies, but every one of those kids had it coming. Yeah. Just listen to that shit. Can you imagine?

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What kind of game that was?

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A game that no one's ever played.

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Not a game that I was familiar with growing up, but...

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I think I asked you that. I'm like, what are they playing? And you're like, nothing anyone has ever played ever. I

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don't think that was a thing. I don't know. Maybe that'll be the call to action.

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Yeah, I think... Not IMDB. Wikipedia just says they were playing hide-and-seek. I don't remember hide-and-seek ending that way.

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Yeah, yeah. I guess a version of hide-and-seek. In any case... Prom

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night! 1980s prom night! Kill!

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1980s prom night! Which, one thing that this is just kind of an aside, I never realized watching this movie, it never really occurred to me that it literally just takes place in a single day, except for the flashback.

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You get the, yeah, the Bloodsport-esque, time-wise flashback, and then it's on one day. It's a

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little bit shorter than Bloodsport.

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Maybe 30 seconds shorter. It...

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It's a pretty, well, it's not even a flashback because it's what kicks off the movie. That's

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fair because no, it's not. Flash

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forward is the rest of the movie.

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Yeah, that's fair because it's not like someone was like sitting down with like the little wavy thing indicating.

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Sure, sure. But yeah, that's just something that I noted this time. In any case, prom night and wah, wah. This is going to be the last of our Halloween series for this year. For this year.

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There'll be more.

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I'll probably sneak some other films.

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It'll happen. Other

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times

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of the year. Can't we do one of the Leprechaun movies? Over St. Paddy's

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Day? I don't know for certain off the top of my head, but I think that started in the 90s.

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Are you serious? The first one might be 90s. I am supremely disappointed. Wow.

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Yeah.

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Man. Well.

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I mean, well, now, of course, I'm trying to buy time. Yeah. Leprechaun. Okay. Trying to. Oh, yeah. That's interesting. The first one's 93. So we're way out of. God damn it. Yeah. But we still have prom night to talk about. Let's do it then. Let's do that. Well, like he came up with the story.

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Yeah, the credits were kind of funny. It's like, this guy kind of came up with this.

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Yeah,

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yeah. And then it said the name.

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Yeah, exactly. But William Gray, screenwriter who we talked about a year ago, and I'll get to that notable credit in just a second. I have for him almost all films, not like an extensive filmography, but I do like the title of this film, Blood and Guts.

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Yeah.

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But you know what? That doesn't necessarily mean horror.

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It looks like it from the key art.

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Is it? Okay. Well, there you go.

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Yeah. No.

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It's not? A

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young athlete becomes the unlikely star of an itinerant wrestling troupe and a rival promoter will go to any length to steal him away.

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It doesn't seem like successful key art if the key art looks like it's a horror film.

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It kind of does look like a- Interesting. The tiny thumbnail of it, when you see blood and guts and then you see the image- I could easily believe it's a horror movie, but it's not. All

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right. However, this is a horror film, one that we both like. And this is the one I was alluding to. He was the writer on The Changeling.

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Yeah, I did like that. I love George C. Scott being so combative with the ghosts.

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That's definitely, I think, become quick. It's quickly gone up the list of our favorite horror films ever. In the last couple of years.

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Yeah. Also, it had that guy in that other movie that we just talked about. Yes. Melvin Douglas. That's him.

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He wrote An Eye for an Eye, The Philadelphia Experiment, and then a TV series that I put down, FX, colon, The Series.

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Oh. So not the movie.

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I guess.

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Yeah. I might pick The Philadelphia Experiment. Okay. Yeah.

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Sure. All right. Moving on to the story by credit. Robert Guza Jr. This is so interesting to me. And this isn't the first time that this has happened. There's like kind of a weird crossover between horror and soap operas. Like, I feel like we've covered a couple people who have dabbled in both. And he is among that group. So I do have one film for him, Melanie, which I think comes up again with some of these other like, it's clear from when I was doing my research on all these people that they did collaborate on another thing. Okay. Santa Barbara. He wrote 398 episodes. Loving, 215 episodes. So this one, not as many episodes, but I included it because I think it's a spinoff of the heavy hitter I'm about to mention. So he wrote 20 episodes of Port Charles. He did 755 episodes of Sunset Beach.

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That's a lot of episodes of a thing I've never heard of. Oh,

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well, get ready. He has... 2018 writing credits for General Hospital.

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The funniest part about that is that there are so many that I looked at that and I'm like, oh, in 2018, he wrote episodes.

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Yeah, no, isn't that wild? I mean, like, it is a very... What would you say? Neck break speed with which they do soap operas.

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I would say just for safety's sake, I would call it a break neck speed instead of a neck break speed.

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I knew I was saying it wrong. So General Hospital. Yeah. Over 2000 episodes. That's impressive. Yeah. I mean, or I think he might be done with General Hospital at this point.

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But, you know, look, that doesn't really surprise me because I felt watching this movie that like there was some ambition behind it. behind like the story here so if you take like a

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lot of drama

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well yeah I mean there was more going on than you would expect in just like an 80s slasher movie but um I think the phrase is like their reach exceeded their grasp

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you did say

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I did say that

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yeah yes

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because it's like they just you know it's um It ended up just being kind of like a silly 80s slasher, but there are moments where like the detective or someone has like this inner monologue.

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Yes, that was weird. Like oddly dramatic. One little scene where you have the internal monologue and... From what I read, that was actually added a little bit later in the film.

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Okay.

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Because I think, again, they were looking for another red herring of who might be the killer. Because they had...

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There were so many... It's the opposite of Slumber Party Massacre, where there were so many devices to try to hide. They were trying really hard to

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obscure who the killer was. Yeah. In fact, so much so that I feel like they were being... if I may say, a little disingenuous when the killer is calling the girls at the beginning. And he tried Nick, but Nick never picked up. But when they cut to his shadow on the wall, ultimately, I don't think that was the person who was the killer. They did not use his shadow. It's

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more likely that it was actually the guy from Slumber Party Massacre, his silhouette. It

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could be. I mean, spoiler alert, it's... It's the brother, and he has super curly hair, which did not come through. Anyway, we'll get to that.

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It's like the story is like you could see how there was like a more involved story there, but... the execution made it seem like a little convoluted at times.

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Well, we go, except for the opening where the young sister dies, and I suppose they do tell you, we don't see the kill, we see the body, but that the nurse, a nurse dies because... A Michael Myers-esque guy escapes the loony bin and

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kills her. A movie with Jamie Lee Curtis and a guy who escaped a loony bin in a car with a nurse, but it's not Halloween. But

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it's not Halloween. But we go like an entire hour before we finally get into the real kills of the film. There's a lot

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of setup.

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So most of the film's not really horror. It's like... Oh, yeah. It's just... Anyway. All right. Getting back to our... Cast and crew of characters. Director, Paul Lynch. So some interesting credits that I wrote down here. Actually, he was the director on Blood and Guts.

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Amazing.

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So there you go. He teamed with Gray on that. He directed a film called Bullies. Most of what I have for him, though, television. And a couple, like he was, I would say, a truckie. Like he worked on a couple movies. star trek properties okay so he did direct on the twilight zone the tv series not the original um when they brought it back in the 80s

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yeah like i don't think they did they call it like the new it was just the twilight zone but it was like reimagined

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exactly uh so here we go he directed on star trek the next generation he also directed on star trek deep space nine okay He directed on the TV series of Robocop. Jesus. He also directed... He must have had a good relationship with Grey. He directed on the TV series FX The Series. So he did that. A lot of interesting kind of... properties that go between TV and film.

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Like film to TV adaptation kind of things? Or the other way around, because Star

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Trek was a TV show, then films, then back to TV, correct? I mean, it kind of never, neither went away after a while.

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Yeah, no, they had like however many series or seasons of the original series, then the motion picture, then like things kind of took off with the trilogy, the Wrath of Khan trilogy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But I only bring that up because then he also directed on Poltergeist Legacy, which was also a TV series.

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Yeah. I haven't seen that or there's like a Friday the 13th series. There's an Exorcist series. A lot of series.

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A lot of series. Yeah. And another one I have, so weird.

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Wait. That's the name of the show.

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Oh. You got me.

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You got me. That's the name of

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the show. And just in general, tons of TV work.

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Yeah.

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Okay, moving on to our DP, the cinematographer for this film, Robert C. New, an EW. Okay. I don't like bashing people. I'm not sure if the cinematography really...

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Uh. There were some. What? What are you talking? There's some amazing moments. Like when that one guy, it just kept going to his face, like super zoomed in.

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Or when.

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Dramatic look at that guy. When

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Kelly dies and it just like zooms into her eye. Yeah. And then cuts to the dance. Sure. There was, there was an interesting part though. Like this, maybe this wasn't even him. This was probably just like the B crew because they just did all these like static shots of the high school. Yeah. Ahead of them. the dance starting, and there was one, I presume it's supposed to be a locked off shot, and the camera, like, noticeably, like, gets juggled, and I'm like, why would that have happened? Like, anyway.

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Maybe just cut that one little second out.

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I get that, like, horror, you kind of have to, like, I'm not going to say, like, guerrilla style, but, like, you got to get through things quickly, but it's like, you could have reshot that. So, anyway. Okay. Robert C. New. So he also, a lot of television. I have like kind of half and half for him between, and actually he will probably come up again at some point because I definitely want to do one of these movies. So he shot, what is this? It's the Canadian version, so to speak.

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Oh, SCTV. Yes. Yeah.

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So he, and there's like a couple different versions of it. So he shot on SCTV as well as SCTV Network.

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Okay.

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So he did that. He did a film, which is going to come up a couple times, Skullduggery. Skullduggery. So this is the film I want to cover. He shot Night of the Creeps.

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I somehow intuitively knew that's what it was going to

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be. I feel I am envisioning next year's Halloween series, and I think that might be on

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the list. That's going to be one of them. Okay.

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I like this title. He shot Big Bad Mama. Did

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he not work on the original on Big Bad Mama? Not

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that I saw.

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Okay.

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He did Lionheart.

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Oh, Lionheart with Van Damme right around the time of, well, no, that was 90. So we won't be able to do that as a follow-up to Bloodsport. Shame.

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Shame. So a couple of TV series, actually a lot of TV series. So he shot on the original Beverly Hills 90210. He did Kung Fu The Legend Continues.

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He

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also shot So Weird. It's kind of funny, some of these connections with these people in the different parts. They must have just honestly, I feel, been friends. Because these are like not super, like, I don't know, blood and guts. I mean, I guess that doesn't mean anything. But like, I don't know, blood and guts. I don't know, so weird. I already mentioned Skullduggery. And like, they all somehow kept coming together on these like smaller projects that they must have just, I feel, went to bat for their friends to be like, hey, bring this person on.

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You mentioned The Legend Continues for Kung Fu. Did you mention A Legend Reborn? No.

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Oh, I didn't.

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Did you ever watch the original Kung Fu? Oh, no. No? No, not my jam. I mean, when I was a kid and we just had like whatever was on, you would watch. I would watch it. And in the intro, he went through like all these trials in the intro, including like the snatch the pebble from my hand. But there was this like cauldron that he had to like pick up with his arms that I'm assuming was like burning hot. Sure. And I would crack up my dad by going outside where we had set our big sun tea thing.

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What's a sun

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tea? Like, we would just make, like, iced tea, but you'd let it brew out in the sun. Oh,

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interesting.

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Okay. And I would pick it up with my arms like that. Wouldn't

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that hurt?

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Yeah, but you know what? That's what you got to go through. Oh, my goodness. For the kung fu.

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Okay. He also did... It's, like, funny, the different... Like I already mentioned, so weird. He also did Blade, another film, television crossover. Blade the series. Wow. A lot of the series. He did not Van Helsing. Stan Helsing.

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I do kind of want to watch that. Yeah.

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Yeah, sure. And then this one sounds fun. Rapturepalooza.

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Sounds like a good time.

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Sounds like a good time. All right. What was the one that we watched... Was it? No, it wasn't just called like this is the end of the world. What was the one with like Seth Rogen and all those guys, James Franco?

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Is it just world's end or the end? Something like

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that. Yeah. I feel like that's like a precursor to that film.

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To?

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Because you know what the rapture is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I'm like, sounds like a good time. Rapture Palooza. It sounds like the same kind of film. Anyway, moving on to music. We have two gentlemen to bring up here. It looks like to a small degree, they collaborated on a couple of things, but they weren't, I wouldn't say like, they weren't like partners.

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They weren't like Holland Oats.

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Yeah, they weren't. I

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don't know why that's the first partnership that came to mind. Yeah.

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First person we're going to bring up is Paul Zaza. And not even the first time we have brought him up this year. It's

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fun to say that name, isn't it?

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Love this name. Paul Zaza. Okay. So before I go into his filmography, one thing that I should note, I think this is super fun. So one thing that is absolutely wild about this movie is this like... Okay, so it's 1980. So disco was still popular.

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Especially like... Given that the movie was probably made in the late 70s. Right. Yeah.

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79.

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Yeah.

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So disco's still a thing. I wouldn't call it like a theme, although I think they do call it like disco prom in the movie.

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Yeah. People are talking about the magnificent disco floor.

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The magnificent disco floor. And they have... They sure do. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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and realized they couldn't use any of this music. And so Paul Zaza...

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Somebody fucked up on that.

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Yeah, big time. And so Zaza was told, hey, we

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need you to very quickly... Make like a rough cover of those?

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Not covers, but like just versions that the way that I read it...

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Give us a disco beat. Get them

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close, but not so close that we could get sued.

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Yeah.

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So it is a very funny

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part of the film. We just want them to be... Just make sure that they're your own original performance that we can...

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Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. So poor guy. That must have been crazy for him. That made me think of... when they kept delaying and delaying and delaying Aliens, and James Horner was given no time to do the score for that.

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So he's like, let me pick up some of this stuff from Wrath of Khan.

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Yeah, it was part of it, but he also was given an incredibly small window to do this stuff. Not okay to do that to these people, but he did good. So Paul Zaza, some of his credits. I have almost all films for him. Stone Cold Dead. Actually, one thing that that's really interesting about him is that he does have credits for this franchise because this is a franchise

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prom night is a franchise just

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like the slumber party massacre is a franchise okay so yes there are four films in the prom night franchise we have besides this one hello mary lou colon prom night two oh prom night three colon last kiss

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do they all have colons Yeah. Okay.

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And then, should I not say that?

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No, no, I love- I always feel like that helps- I love the colon, yeah. Like somebody

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listening. Prom Night 4, colon, deliver us from evil.

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Wow, that's really dramatic.

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And while we're talking about these films, because it might be the only time we do, there is an actor who actually is part of all four films.

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Is it Leslie Nielsen? No. Damn. No.

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It probably would be almost impossible for you to guess who.

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I'm not even going to try.

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It's the young Nick.

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The young Nick? Wow. The kid. For like flashbacks? Mm-hmm. Okay.

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Well, I don't know. I have not seen the other three films.

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Is there any time travel involved?

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I don't think so. So his name is Brock Simpson. He's actually the son of one of the producers on this film. That'll do it. Yeah. So he, I don't know the circumstances. If they just thought it would be fun. He's maybe not an actor, but I don't know. I don't know. But he's the only one.

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I'm assuming after like four of them, like the young version of him is getting older.

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Long gone. Yeah, yeah. He becomes adult Brock

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Simpson.

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Mm-hmm.

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Moving back to Zaza, he scored My Bloody Valentine. Yeah. So go check that one out. We did that earlier. We did it, in fact, in February. Not

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only the music. Maybe that was part of it. Maybe that's why. But I felt like there was some similarities in just the look and feel of this movie and that one.

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Yeah, you said as much, didn't you? I actually think My Bloody Valentine has a really strong score. And that end song is just amazing. Yeah. That runs over the close credits. So he did Porky's. All right. He scored Melanie. So the one film that I had for Robert Guza, the story by a guy. So he did that. He did. So here we go. And this actually will be coming up not too far off into the future. A Christmas Story.

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It's wild to me that we haven't covered that yet. That's why we're going to do it. We've been recording this podcast for 25 years and we haven't done this movie

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yet. So he did that. Meatballs 3 colon Summer Job.

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Okay.

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This one is interesting. Flesh Gordon.

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Oh, that's got to be a porn, right?

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Meets the Cosmic Cheerleaders.

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Yeah.

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Typically those aren't on IMDb, but we've noticed glitches in The Matrix before, so.

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Yeah, hmm.

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Yeah.

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The one film credit I have for him is that he scored Rin Tin Tin colon Cane Eye Cop. He also did The Rage. And then he, this is kind of fun, he scored Baby Geniuses as well as Super Babies colon Baby Geniuses 2.

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He also did, well, you've heard of Dirty Dancing, but he scored Fancy Dancing. Fancy

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Dancing. I just like saying that. Okay. Moving on to the other composer credited, Carl Zittwer. A little hard to say that last name. Zittwer? Zittwer?

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Yeah. Zittwer? You always do it better than I do. I don't think that's true. A

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slightly shorter filmography for him. I love this title. I have all films for him. Children shouldn't play with dead things.

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Oh, yeah. That sounds familiar, actually.

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And I think that's just sound advice.

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It is. It is.

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Love this title. Blood Orgy of the She-Devils.

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What? That's...

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That's a film. That's intense. Yeah. He scored Black Christmas. Which one? The first one. Okay. Original. Which, I'm going to get a lot of heat for this. Not my jam.

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No, I didn't. It was... It felt like it wasn't sure what it was trying to be. And it had like some like crushingly dark, depressing moments.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But then had like, yeah, it was it wasn't bad, but just felt like it was inconsistent in tone.

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I totally agree and understand its place as far as like a precursor to what we would think of more so as traditional like slashers or stalker type horror films. But that film itself isn't one that I really revisit. No. He also, so here we go. He worked with Zaza on Porky's. He on his own, Porky's too, colon, the next day. And then they worked together again on Christmas Story. So we're going to be bringing up these guys again shortly. Okay. All right, moving on to film editing. Brian Ravolk, six total editor credits, so not a ton. However, he did cut Melanie. So this is what I'm saying. These like- It happens every time. Interesting, small things that come through.

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That's what we should do. Whatever, like- connective tissue or whatever thing comes up the most.

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Yeah.

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That's the next movie we cover.

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Oh,

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that is... Or maybe we cover it eventually, possibly. We'll think about that one.

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Sorry, Excel's Melanie. I don't even know if that's an 80s film. But he also cut Screwballs. He did the TV series Hulk Hogan's Rockin' Wrestling.

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That guy... Kind of a jackass. Kind of

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an asshole. Yeah. He's

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not a good guy. Yeah. I remember when he was everyone's hero. He was. Yeah. Not anymore. Not anymore. Nope.

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And also the under, or I shouldn't say the, just Undertaker.

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Like also wrestling? I

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don't know. I didn't actually, that would make sense. Maybe he had like a foothold.

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Nope.

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No. Nothing to do with it. Something totally different. Interesting. Okay. All right. Just coincidence. Well, we're at the stars of this film. Okay. Or I was about to say something super mean. What? Oh, and actually I would be wrong as well. I was about to say the star of the film because I was just thinking Jamie Lee Curtis, but we do have Leslie Nielsen. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was wrong. But we are going to start with Jamie Lee Curtis. Fair enough. So she plays Kimberly Hammond. This is interesting because, like, even I would say Leslie Nielsen being in this film, she maybe at the time– Was still the bigger draw. I think so. Because I did read that they were having trouble funding, like finding funding, getting this film greenlit. And then when she signed on, it was able to move forward. Yeah. So she was the one who made this film happen. I

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would say the final girl is more important than the final girl's...

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Dad.

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Principal dad.

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They really did not utilize him at all. And this was

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like... The problem is that he's so like... Where he really shines is where he's able to use kind of like his just like straight face, flat affect in a way that like lends itself towards like the comedy. But if he's just like playing the straight guy the whole time, he's just like that guy. I mean, he had a

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whole first career as a dramatic actor.

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Yeah.

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And this is literally on the cusp of. Of him turning that page.

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He hasn't turned it yet. Not in this one. Because this

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is 80 and really the film that did that was Airplane. So same time.

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I just, I'm not familiar with that part of his career. Like I just, I always think of him from all of like the crazy comedy stuff.

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That's just totally our generation.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Like an entire generation before. I get

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that. They probably know him from his dramatic work and see him in something like Airplane. They're like, what the

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fuck? Yeah. But Curtis, so this is also something that I thought was interesting. I don't know how much is like where the truth lies in this story, but apparently Eve Plum from the Brady Bunch wanted this role.

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Who is Eve Plum?

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Was she Jan? Yeah. Because Maureen McCormick was the eldest. Yeah. And then I don't remember the name of Cindy, but it wasn't Eve Plum, I don't think. Okay. So she wanted this role, but then once Curtis expressed interest in it, Plum was out. So they were like, yeah, we're going to give this to Jamie Lee Curtis.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. That was probably the right choice. Show

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business is a rough business. So in any case, we brought up Curtis, what would have been the last time, last year? I don't think we brought her up this year.

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For Halloween, probably? Halloween 2, yeah.

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And of course, super, super well-known actor. actress, still very, very, very much working, recently got her first Oscar. So I'm going to go through her filmography real quick. I have, yeah, a number of credits. We have early work, including the TV series Operation Petticoat. Of course, she finally kind of comes, I wouldn't say she was in the shadow, but like she has two very famous parents, kind of came into her own in Halloween.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, if you didn't know, her father is Tony Curtis and her mother is Janet Leigh. So

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just in case. Ever hear of them?

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Ever hear of them? Of course, like you mentioned, we covered Halloween 2 last year with Dave. Super Halloween fan. Very fun episode because of his tremendous love for that

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franchise. Listen to it now. Wait, listen to the rest of this one. Then listen to that one.

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Then listen to that one. The Fog, which although it's not necessarily something that we really fell in love with, maybe we'll cover it at some point.

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Yeah, I look forward to the chance of talking about all the ways it disappointed me.

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I mean, her relationship with Tom Atkins in that film, wild. Wild. Anyway, Terror Train, we could do. So she is uncredited, but she is the narrator in Escape from New York and the computer. Oh,

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that's right. I remember. Yeah, she does a

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lot of that, I feel. She kind of finds herself in some of these properties because.

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It's another one where I'm like, have we not covered that yet?

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This is another one. I'm already putting together our list for next year's Halloween series. We are doing Halloween 3 because I like that movie, Season of the Witch.

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I have a lot of thoughts about that movie. So that's fine for me.

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Probably where we're going to differ. I think the next episode we're going to do, which I'll bring up in two seconds. Well, not two seconds. When we're done with this episode is going to be an episode where you and I might have actual contrasting opinions.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, the next one that we cover? Okay. Oh, no, I already know. And yeah, I think, well, it's not that we, yeah. Yeah, I have an idea of what movie it

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is.

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Okay, that's your clue. Yeah. That's your clue. Yeah.

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She also is uncredited as the curfew announcer and telephone operator in Season of the Witch. She, of course, does Trading Places. That one we did, whoa, long time ago. That was like, I think, early season two. 15 years ago. Go check that one out. She's in Perfect. I mean, quite honestly, there's a lot. We have covered a number of her films, but there's still many more we can do. She did a lot in the 80s. She, and we did this one. She was in A Fish Called Wanda. Please go check that one out. And it's like kind of sequel, but mostly just the same actors, Fierce Creatures.

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Yeah.

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So she's in that. This is 90s. And I'm so glad it is because this movie is just too heart-wrenching. She's in My Girl.

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Oh, my God. And then

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she comes back for My Girl 2, which also reteams her. I did not even put this together until so, so, so, so late, but it reteams her with Dan

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Aykroyd. Oh, from Trading Places. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

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That's cool. I don't know why I didn't think about that sooner, but she was on a TV series. I mean, she's... Well, in her early career, mostly film, but she was on a TV series called Anything But Love. Of course, she has an amazing turn in True Lies. Yeah,

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she's great in that.

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She's great. I actually wish that there could be, well, was there, I'm getting fuzzy here. Is there, was there a TV series of True Lies or something that was trying to get off the ground?

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There may have been. That sounds familiar.

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Did they end up doing FUBAR instead? No.

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Oh, I don't know.

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Because I think that FUBAR is kind of a similar vein, but it's like Schwarzenegger with a daughter. But I haven't watched it yet. In any case, I'll just say I really wish they would reteam. Yeah. Because I think Curtis and Schwarzenegger are really great together. So she's in that. I love this film. I kind of wish that this is where the franchise ended. Halloween H20.

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Yeah, H2O is actually, like, a lot of fun. There are some pretty brutal kills in it. Like, we're like, oh, God. But I overall enjoyed watching it.

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I really love that film and can't say I'm a huge fan of the latest trilogy. And part of that is, like, what they did to her character.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I mean, on one hand, some of what they did makes sense. And there are some, like... incredible shots, incredible scenes, like moments.

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Visually, some really great moments.

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Yeah, but story-wise, it's better than the Rob Zombie ones. I'll say that much.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah, I mean, he did his own interpretation. Yeah, they're on. It's very...

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Flipping through channels, and I saw that Halloween was on, so I put it on, and I realized it would... And you're like, oh. Like, I would rather watch Rob Zombie's The Munsters than Rob Zombie's Halloween. Oh, wow. And I don't want to watch The Munsters, so...

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Well, all to say, I really like Halloween H20. She's in Virus, of course. And now I'm going to keep weaving in the other Halloween movies because she is like briefly in Halloween Resurrection, which not a good movie, but kind of just ridiculous. And like, I don't mind having it on if I'm doing whatever.

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I could have almost any of them on.

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I hate the way they end her character in that film. But she's in Freaky Friday, which actually they are filming the sequel as we speak.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I saw. like the image there's just like a still image of of the two of them her and yeah

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for kind of getting things back together so more so in her later career really comes back to television in a more prominent way she was on scream queens which great show that i said it right i said it right i

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know you did i'm

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not gonna try it again she i think is jess's mother and new girl Oh, okay. Kind of fell off watching that show. And then here we go. So then she comes back as kind of a different version of Laurie Strode in the 2018 Halloween, as well as Halloween Kills and Halloween Ends.

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Did you mention Knives Out? I'm about

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to.

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What's

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up next for her?

UNKNOWN:

I...

SPEAKER_03:

She did do Knives Out. Damn, sorry. That's okay. That was literally my very next credit. So I mentioned her winning that Oscar. It was best supporting for Everything, Everywhere, All at Once. How have we still not seen that? I know. We are woefully behind on more recent films.

SPEAKER_00:

How did we watch almost an entire season of this fucking horseshit show, The Anonymous, and we haven't seen an actual quality movie like everything, everywhere, all at

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once?

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Because we

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tend to want to just turn off our brains at a

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certain point at night. That did it. For sure. Did the trick. Yeah.

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The film that I like... Oh, yeah.

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It's not the worst of the several Haunted Mansion movies that they've made.

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It's fun. Yeah. The Muppets one is quite fun.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We should put that on soon. She is in The Bear. I think she's the guy's mom. Okay. That guy.

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Yeah. The dude.

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The dude. Uh-huh. I think she's the mom. And then also a film that recently came out, which I don't think did very well, but not as bad as Joker 2, Borderlands.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know which one of those did worse. I think- I don't know for sure. Man, I don't know which one people are less angry about. Because people that enjoy that game franchise hated it. And people that like the first Joker are super upset. I don't know. I haven't seen either of them.

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Well, moving on.

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Moving on.

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So almost the rest of these people are going to have far shorter filmographies. We've talked about this before about what often happens. Well, I shouldn't say that they all have the same reason. Because... Well, I'll get to Nick in a second. The next person I'm going to bring up is Kim's sibling, Alex. So her little brother. He

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turned out okay though, right? Oh, man.

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He did really good. His name is Michael Tuff.

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Okay.

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And he has 10 total acting credits. From what I can tell on his IMDb, he moved into location management. So he's just behind the scenes now.

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Okay.

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Yeah. So that's his reason for

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why he doesn't do a ton of acting. That's the way to go, I think, if you ask me.

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Acting's a tough gig, but you know what? Anything in entertainment's a tough gig. But some of his acting credits do include a TV series called Search and Rescue, colon, The Alpha Team.

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The Alpha Team.

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And then just the rest of them films. The Phantom Kid.

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Okay.

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He's also in Virus, but not the same virus. There was a 1980 film called Virus. Different Virus. Different Virus. But he is in Skullduggery. Fucking

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Skullduggery. Back. Back.

SPEAKER_03:

And it's not going to be the last time I talk about it. Okay, so moving on to Casey Stevens. So Casey, or yes, Casey plays Nick McBride. Nick is the solo young boy who is involved in Robin's death.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep. And then... Man, little kid version of that guy, of that character, looked like he just had nothing going on upstairs. Like he just looked evil upstairs.

SPEAKER_03:

You don't think that, um, Wendy, I thought they did a great job with little Wendy. She was a real little.

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Yeah. I would say that the casting in this, as far as like the kids versus the adult or like

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version version. Yeah. Versions.

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They did a great job with the casting. I think like you can really see like the similarities between the kids and the older versions of those characters.

UNKNOWN:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Actually, the one that I like the best, which we see the least, is the little version of Kimberly.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

The girl that they cast as young Jamie Lee Curtis, spot on.

SPEAKER_00:

They did a great job with her. I remember you saying that while we were watching it. Yeah. And you're right, all of them. And it really stood out compared to what we talked about in the last episode for Ghost Story. Yes. Where I'm like, who the fuck are these people?

SPEAKER_03:

And it is really interesting that we were doing two films in a row with a similar kind of... Not a similar story structure, to be quite honest, because... You

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said as much. You said, like, this is, like, high school ghost story.

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Yeah, in terms of, like, covering up a murder.

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Yeah.

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Although, okay, I guess it's technically accidental.

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Yeah.

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But, in any case, Casey Stevens. So, unfortunately, the reason why he has a short filmography, six total acting credits, is he passed away when he was still fairly young. So, the couple that I have for him, in praise of older women... Okay,

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okay.

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The film. Yeah. A TV movie called Escape from Iran, colon, The Canadian

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Caper. Interesting.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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And then a film called Threshold.

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Okay.

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Okay. So moving on to, we briefly just mentioned her, Wendy Richards. That's the character name. So she is played as an adult, played by Anne-Marie Martin. Okay. Wendy is the ringleader. Okay. So she is the one when they're all little kids, although they're

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all super mean. They're like little sociopaths.

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Yeah, yeah. So none of them are great, but she, I guess if you got to pick the one that's the worst, she's the one. Attracts,

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too, as she gets older.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes. And she is the one who tells the other kids, don't say a word. We'll all get in trouble. I mean, she scares the other ones. We're going to go to jail, which maybe is not wrong to go to juvie. Yeah. But like... She's the one that basically forces the rest of the kids to, like, don't ever talk about this. And they just, like, book it out of

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there. For the rest of their lives, which ended up being about six years or so. Yeah, I

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know. I love the moment later in the film when Kelly and Jude both get their pictures with, like, the slices of glass. And she goes, why? I'm like, what do you mean why? You don't know why you're... Anyway. And they all seem pretty well adjusted, except for Nick.

UNKNOWN:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

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With the knowledge of what they did. No

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remorse. No remorse. Zero. There's not even a moment where someone's like, remember what? Shut up about that. Yeah.

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So, Anne-Marie Martin still working. Let's see. So, I have a little bit of TV, a little bit of film. A film called Savage Harvest. Okay. The Boogans? Yes. I don't know if I'm saying that right, but B-O-O-G-E-N-S?

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Sounds right to me.

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So here's what's interesting. I don't know who this person is. We will have to go through the film again. She has an uncredited credit for Halloween 2. Hmm. For a character named Darcy Esmond.

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Yeah. I mean, I wonder if she...

SPEAKER_03:

There aren't a ton of people in Halloween 2.

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No. Could she have been just one of the nurses or someone working in the hospital that just was in the background maybe?

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Possibly. Or I was thinking the beginning of the film probably has the biggest group of actors. Maybe she was more of a background actor when they take Annie out of the house. Maybe she's in that scene. I'm not sure. But she's in that briefly. She also... has a big foothold in soap opera. She was on Days of Our Lives for 298 episodes. It's a good

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run.

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Another TV series called Sledgehammer!

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Oh my god.

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Exclamation point.

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You know it? Sledgehammer. Oh yeah. Sledgehammer is like making a mockery of people just like fetishizing guns. Oh. Because that's his whole shtick is it's like a comedy and he basically solves every problem with this giant pistol.

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I've never even heard of it.

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Yeah. It's, it's super out there. It's like, I think people would probably think a certain way about that now.

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Interesting.

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The whole, like the intro is him picking up his gun from like a little like fancy pillow and saying like, I know what I'm doing. And he's just like fucking blast.

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Okay. It's the whole show. She, so I will say this, her, uh, her glamour shot on imdb it's a very nice picture she looks like a very nice person so she did i think a very good job in the movie

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yeah she looks very friendly her headshot looks

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very like she looks very nice and i think she did a really good job i mean she does not look like a high schooler at all i'm not sure how old she was when they filmed this

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no yeah like none of them did like the the guy that looked like he should be doing Caveman Geico commercials. Oh,

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my goodness. We'll get to him.

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For

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sure. We'll get to him. But she did a really great job of being super bitchy. It's what I'll say. Hopefully it was fun for her to film that.

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She was married at one point to Michael Crichton.

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Oh, wow.

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Yeah. Fun fact.

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That is a fun fact. Okay. Moving on to Mary Beth Rubin. So she plays Kelly Lynch. Kelly is... I guess technically the first of the three women who get killed at prom. She's the one that has the like ongoing conundrum of like, does she lose her virginity to her boyfriend who is very clearly pressuring her to do that? It was pretty uncomfortable. That scene was actually very uncomfortable. Yeah. Before the murder. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Very uncomfortable. Yeah. Because it felt a little too realistic, like the awkwardness and the way he was trying to get her to do things.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, it reminded me of how uncomfortable the like intro or opening of Fright Night was where something kind of similar was happening. It feels like very much like an 80s trope kind of thing. But this was way worse.

SPEAKER_03:

I felt. bad for her for that part of her life but also like she it's interesting because the three women the way that they grow up kelly is the one who's like seems like very kind of nervous and like unsure of herself and maybe that has everything to do with the boyfriend jude seems like kind of go with the flow whatever she seems the most well adjusted considering what she was involved in

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yeah

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and then wendy just like went on to become like you know queen b regina george bitch. Yeah. So they all have very different personalities as teenagers. But in any case, Kelly Lynch, the couple of credits I have for her, mostly films, Firebird 2015 AD.

SPEAKER_00:

Amazing. That sounds pretty, pretty amazing.

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Another film called Big Deal. Okay. Perfect timing. She did have a pretty long stint on the, I don't know the show, ENG. I don't know what that is. 70 episodes.

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Okay.

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And then she does have other TV appearances, but it's like kind of a one-off, two-off type thing. Okay, moving on to Joy Thompson. So she does play Jude Cunningham. This was her first acting credit. She has a total of eight acting credits. Okay. I have just a couple films for her. Baker County, USA. One Magic Christmas.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, is that a Hallmark movie? It sounds like it could be a Hallmark movie. Totally does. Anything else that we may have heard of? Probably an

SPEAKER_03:

early one too, because that's like such a One Magic Christmas. I feel like that was like an early title before they were like, oh, we got to get way more creative with these titles because we are doing 200 movies a year.

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Another Magic Christmas.

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Another Magic Christmas. And Skullduggery.

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Oh, Skullduggery.

SPEAKER_03:

There you go. All right. I think that might be the last time I bring it up. Moving on to David Moochie. You wouldn't probably know him by name, but he plays Lou Farmer. So he is the gentleman that you alluded to as being in a– should have been in a Geico commercial.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, you know, now I kind of feel bad in retrospect because I don't like

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– You might know him from something else, though, which I'm curious if you do. This was his first acting credit.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay. So– Again, just like the woman who played Kelly Lynch, a couple one-time TV appearances here and there. I have listed for him by name all films. Renegades, Half-Baked.

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Half-Baked with, okay, Chappelle. I

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don't know if it was a large role. For Love of the Game.

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Oh,

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okay. And

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then here's the one. He plays a character called Quick Mike in Unforgiven. Okay.

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Hmm.

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And I know you like that movie.

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I do. And it just makes me think even more that they did this guy dirty in prom night by making him look a certain way, because if he looked like that.

SPEAKER_03:

You would have remembered.

SPEAKER_00:

I would remember him. Yeah. I kind of remember someone that might look like him. I don't know if he was one of the one of the guys from the ranch that like assaults. one of the women that leads to like the whole plot sort of move forward. He might be the, not the one who did it, but the one that was like trying to like, they gave him a pony to try to make up for it, which yeah. Yeah. It went out. about as well as you can imagine. Like, you cut this person up, here's a pony. But yeah, he didn't look like he looks in Prom Night, which is like, what is with this guy? Well,

SPEAKER_03:

here's the thing with this character, and this is what they do. This is such a trope. This is no different than the bully in Christine.

SPEAKER_00:

Exactly. Where I'm like, not

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only do they look super similar, they both look like they're about 20 years outside of high school.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Like, it's ridiculous. But in any case, okay. We got a couple people left. One is Mr. Hammond, Leslie Nielsen.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, I thought we were going a quick pivot to Jurassic Park.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, I see that. Okay. Leslie Nielsen. I regret that joke. Not the first time that we've brought him up, and I don't think it'll be the last time either. But it was, let's see, early last season, maybe even the first season. Maybe one of the first couple episodes of our fourth season where we did Airplane. Yeah. So go check that out. But I'll do a quick run through of his filmography. The first credit I have for him, Ransom! Exclamation point. Don't know it.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, so not the one with Mel Gibson? No. Okay. Not that one.

SPEAKER_03:

Also earlier in his career, he was on a couple shows, The New Breed, Peyton Place. Hmm. Some films. Sounds like some westerns we got here. The Plainsman, Gunfight, and Abilene.

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Okay.

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How to Commit Marriage. Okay. The Poseidon Adventure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then this is kind of like when we cross over, like we were saying, into like kind of the second half of his career. So I already mentioned Airplane. This is the film that I think we'll do at some point, Creepshow.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. Yeah. It's... That's a wacky movie. We've watched parts of it because it's like kind of like an anthology, like a collection of stories. Yeah. Anthology.

SPEAKER_03:

Yep. And then here we go. So he was on the TV series Police Squad, exclamation point. And then from that, we get the Naked Gun series. So we get the Naked Gun from the Files of Police Squad, exclamation point. The Naked Gun 2 1⁄2, colon, The Smell of Fear. Okay. And Naked Gun 33 in a third, colon, the final insult.

SPEAKER_00:

I have seen all of those and they are some of the dumbest things I've ever seen and I love them.

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And then he kind of like leverages that new persona, so to speak, that he has in those types of films for Dracula, colon, dead and loving it.

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Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03:

And Spy Hard. He was in Mr. Magoo. 2001, colon, A Space Travesty. Scary Movie, Three-Fourths. He was in Stan Helsing. Okay. And then lots of TV work. I mean, he had a very robust professional

SPEAKER_00:

life. It's too bad that Repossessed was released in 1990 because that's essentially like a parody of The Exorcist. You

SPEAKER_03:

mentioned that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

It is... It is almost difficult to watch. It is so silly. His name is Father Jebediah Mayi. Oh, my goodness. Father Mayi? Yeah. Yeah. It's wild.

SPEAKER_03:

All right. So I almost didn't include these two people, but I ended up going for it. I mentioned that the whole storyline with the local police, which this is so funny to me because so they add this character, Lieutenant McBride, I guess Nick's dad, right? But that never really factors into the film at all?

SPEAKER_00:

No, like, because he leaves, he's leaving the house with him when the phone rings and he's like, I'm not answering it.

SPEAKER_03:

The only thing I can say is that maybe what that brings to the story is the fact that, like, this guy doesn't even realize that his own son was involved in the murder. I shouldn't say murder. Accidental death, but then cover up of this young woman six years earlier. Yeah,

SPEAKER_00:

and it's just all part of the, like... plan to distract us from who's... Because they're like separately tracking someone that they think was responsible for the murders and it's not.

SPEAKER_03:

But he just never needed to be Nick's dad.

SPEAKER_00:

No, not really.

SPEAKER_03:

That doesn't really mean anything in the world of the film.

SPEAKER_00:

But in

SPEAKER_03:

any case, played by George Tulliatos.

SPEAKER_00:

Very well done. Yeah, I think that's exactly it.

SPEAKER_03:

Thank

SPEAKER_00:

you.

SPEAKER_03:

So I have... Okay, so... I generally wasn't familiar with a lot of the other things that he did. I did list a couple really notable credits. He did some TV appearances, a lot of TV movies. I have for him these films, Only God Knows, I Miss You, Hugs and Kisses. So nice. Very

SPEAKER_00:

cute.

SPEAKER_03:

Gladiator Cop. He had a role in Double Jeopardy. Okay. So do you know that film? He also had a role in The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants.

SPEAKER_02:

And then

SPEAKER_03:

I added this for you. Oh. His final credit, he appeared on Supernatural.

SPEAKER_00:

Excellent.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I can't remember. I'd have to– now I'm going to look up that episode because I can't– there are a lot of episodes.

SPEAKER_03:

There are a lot of– I would think so after 15 years.

SPEAKER_00:

And just being in one episode. But, yeah, I'm going to check that out.

UNKNOWN:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

So lastly, they should have just kept with his real name. So the actor is Sheldon Rybowski.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

He plays Seymour Slick Crane.

SPEAKER_00:

Let me tell you about Seymour Slick Crane. This fucking guy rolls up in his super cool van and just, like, he rides up on the sidewalk and picks up that girl. Yes, yes. It is such a

SPEAKER_03:

weird subplot.

SPEAKER_00:

While he's dressed up like Fat Elvis, essentially.

SPEAKER_03:

It is a wild, weird part of the film. And

SPEAKER_00:

I think he's surprised by his own success because they have sex in the van and they're talking about it. And I think she's like, so is that your first time too?

SPEAKER_03:

She's so casual about this whole thing. Yes. And also it's kind of weird to me. I guess that was, again, just like a real strong trope, maybe even to this day, where it's like, Gotta have a date for the prom. Like, both her and Wendy, it seems, weren't going to go if they couldn't find a guy to take them. I mean,

SPEAKER_00:

look, Nick just didn't pick up a phone and he lives. But he was present when... Robin falls out a window. Yeah. Slick just had sex with one of the women that were involved. And because of this, he is now dead. Although he did have a pretty epic death scene.

SPEAKER_03:

I would have much rather. Yes, he did. It made it made that character more memorable.

SPEAKER_00:

You thought that I was so sure he was going to get away. I'm like,

SPEAKER_03:

come on, Slick. I wish he would have gotten away. And you know who I wish would have died? Drew. Oh, yeah. The guy who was pressuring Kelly. Yeah. Yeah. So I was actually quite surprised. He didn't die.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I mean, he

SPEAKER_03:

was a real jerk.

SPEAKER_00:

Nick is in the van. He like almost gets away. He gets stuck in the mud. Then the killer gets back in the van. He like drives off a cliff and explodes into a ball of fire. Like it was very dramatic.

SPEAKER_03:

So Sheldon, who plays Slick, seven total points. Oh, I just didn't put that down.

SPEAKER_00:

There weren't as many as Melanie. Was it Melanie?

SPEAKER_03:

Right. Melanie and Skullduggery.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. So Little Hobo comes in third in terms of like the. Sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. I mean, there were a couple other people. I have a feeling that maybe some storylines were cut down or scenes were omitted because like there's that other friend, the blonde.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Who for like whatever mean reason, like Moon's. the guy. And like she, so she kind of pops up here and there in the film, but really doesn't mean anything in the story. Like nothing. She, she doesn't in any way like inform the plot of the film.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, the maintenance guy didn't matter either, except as yet another red herring. And no one thought it was him.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. So basically like her, the three people that were on the cusp where I'm like, ah, they didn't really do anything in the film were her, him, and then the mom. Yeah. So in any case, I think we covered the main players.

UNKNOWN:

Um,

SPEAKER_03:

Film synopsis.

SPEAKER_00:

What do we got? At

SPEAKER_03:

a high school senior prom. Actually, it's senior junior prom.

SPEAKER_00:

It is. Yeah. Senior junior.

SPEAKER_03:

A mass killer stalks four teenagers who were responsible for the accidental death of a classmate six years previously.

SPEAKER_00:

Sure. That works for me. That really works. Yeah. That's very well done.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. I mean. Yeah. It's all good. This film, like I said, when I mentioned in the last episode that we're going to do it, I'm not saying that it's like one of my favorite horror films. And honestly, it's kind of bizarre. It's a real tight 93 minutes. And the first hour virtually is no real horror. I mean, there's like creeping and stalking and whispered phone calls. It's a lot of suspense building. And things like that. And then the last half hour is very fast-paced with all the kills happening.

SPEAKER_00:

The kills were interesting in that they really took a lot of time. with them. Like the, the windy one

SPEAKER_03:

in particular,

SPEAKER_00:

like I didn't know if she was going to get away or if she was, cause there were, what I appreciated was that unlike like Friday the 13th, where we talked about how Jason raises an ax and the person just freezes and sits there, there was a lot of like ducking and diving and dodging going on. So I give them credit for not just like freezing and getting the ax, like other movies. Um, And that was for a lot of them. Like Wendy talked about Slick and how like he put up an epic fight. So there was like a decent balance, but maybe that's because there was like a relatively low body count. So they got their money's worth out of them.

SPEAKER_03:

I mean, including, you know, the little Robin at the beginning and the nurse who really isn't, I don't really, I'll consider her, but I don't really consider her among the kills.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So that's two. Then we get the three. Female teenagers. Slick. So that's six. And then Alex.

SPEAKER_00:

Total body count of seven.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So...

SPEAKER_00:

You know what? I feel bad again about the guy that I said that I made the Geico commercial reference. Because he actually had like... serious enough medical condition to where when he was like kind of under the stage with his head right he had to have someone like hold his hand while he was under there getting through that it's

SPEAKER_03:

all fine oh my god i feel i i think that they intentionally made him look a certain way

SPEAKER_00:

well look i apologize again okay poor guy

SPEAKER_03:

it's okay i will say he has the best kill

SPEAKER_00:

He's

SPEAKER_03:

my favorite.

SPEAKER_00:

His head gets lopped off and rolls down the stage. Yes,

SPEAKER_03:

and rolls down the stage. It's amazing. And then like, okay, so as much flack as I was giving the cinematography in this film, great shot.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Of the head on the stage.

SPEAKER_00:

You know who was holding his head? His head. His head. His hand under the stage? Director Paul Lynch.

SPEAKER_03:

Aw, that's nice. Yeah. That's a good director. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that that was really well done. So there were some highlights. I mean, I don't know if like every time he went to kill somebody, he had to do the, now, now. I don't really know what that was supposed to, like, was that supposed to, you know, be part of, well.

SPEAKER_00:

Was that a throwback to like the game they were playing at the beginning? I thought it might be, but.

SPEAKER_03:

Maybe, but then just go kill, kill, kill.

SPEAKER_00:

You can't do that because then everyone's going to think it's Jason Voorhees.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, so that's funny that you say it because that's why I was thinking like, oh, is this supposed to be like the...

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

But they were made at the same time. So I don't think this film could have been influenced by Friday the 13th.

SPEAKER_00:

Serious espionage would have to take place for that. Like spies. Hey, they're going to do this.

SPEAKER_03:

So I don't think it's connected. But that was... It took me kind of out of the kills with the weird whispering. And even...

SPEAKER_00:

I would have laughed if it wouldn't have been like, what?

SPEAKER_03:

Look, I'm going to– it's a fun enough movie that like– I will come back to this film again. But it did seem like they were like doing what they could to fill the time. Yeah. Like Alex didn't really need to call them in the morning. Like, are you ready for prom? Like, I didn't really need to be a part of it because then he's like tipping them off. I mean,

SPEAKER_00:

obviously it did need to because that's how Nick survived.

SPEAKER_03:

Which is hilarious. It's like, oh, well, I didn't get him on the phone. So I guess he lives. Confirming that I will kill. you later today. And then it was funny that, like, the killer has the list of the names. Like, do you need a list of who you intend to call? Because

SPEAKER_00:

when he tries calling Nick, he, like, crossed him off the list.

SPEAKER_03:

He's, like, angry. He's, like, I didn't get him.

SPEAKER_00:

God damn it.

SPEAKER_03:

It's actually very funny. He's,

SPEAKER_00:

like, impatient, like, tapping the eraser on the page.

SPEAKER_03:

And I love he has a pencil.

SPEAKER_00:

We share your impatience because we're kind of over this. Yeah, let's

SPEAKER_03:

move this segment along. But some things are kind of hilarious because it really did not need to be part of it at all. Yeah, yeah. But I do appreciate that Alex was faithful for the most part to the people. Although I still stand by, I wish Drew would die. And

SPEAKER_00:

I didn't want Slick to die.

SPEAKER_03:

Either the people who were directly involved in Robin's death should die and then the people that they were having sex with by association or involved with. But for the most part, Alex was being faithful. Like, I'm only going to kill the people who are involved in my sister's death. He doesn't really go outside of that. So it's an interesting

SPEAKER_00:

film. Well done, Alex.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, well done, Alex. Also, his own death is kind of interesting. I guess you're right that even if... Kimberly hit him with the

SPEAKER_00:

blunt end of

SPEAKER_03:

the axe. I

SPEAKER_00:

think that's what happened.

SPEAKER_03:

If you come down hard enough, that will do it, probably. Sure.

SPEAKER_00:

Maybe it'll do it in a way where you have just enough time to walk out in front of the police and then reveal yourself to your sister-in-law. And then die. Wearing your

SPEAKER_03:

mom's lipstick.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Yeah. That was

SPEAKER_03:

also a thing where I'm like, I'm not sure what I'm getting from that. Like they make a whole thing of it where the mom comes to Kimberly and says, did you take my dark red lipstick? So it's very clear that Alex took it. Yeah. And then he's wearing it at the end, which I don't know. Are you just trying to obscure yourself?

SPEAKER_00:

What I like is you have like 30 seconds to think about that. And then it's just like a still of where the hide and seek for a sick place. Credits.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. It's... I don't know. It's just like a funny kind of mixed up jumbled horror film, but I do enjoy it.

SPEAKER_00:

I enjoyed it a lot more than I don't know why it makes me think a little bit because of like where the kills take place around the school, like Slumber Party Massacre. This is like a significantly more like sophisticated production, if you will.

SPEAKER_03:

You think so?

SPEAKER_00:

I do. Yeah. Okay. I

SPEAKER_03:

do. Well, the one thing I think is really funny is, didn't you say when the film started, you're like, even just from 30 seconds of Jamie Lee Curtis being on

SPEAKER_00:

screen. Yeah. I thought her performance was actually like, like solid. Like she was more believable as just like this kid in this movie than even in the Halloween movies. Like the first Halloween

SPEAKER_03:

movie. I think that's super interesting. Cause like, so, okay. So there's two year difference between these films. Obviously Halloween came out first.

UNKNOWN:

Um,

SPEAKER_03:

I think maybe it could be two things because in Halloween, Laurie Strode isn't as... Like, she knows she's smart.

SPEAKER_00:

But it's a different character. It's a different

SPEAKER_03:

character. And I think that, like, it's intentional that she doesn't have kind of the, like, comfort with herself that she does in this film because she's, like, prom queen.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So she was voted most popular. She seems to be pretty well adjusted. That's a good point.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, maybe it's more that I just was...

SPEAKER_03:

But she's also two years down the road.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

I think even by the time, because like I was saying earlier, she got this film greenlit essentially, I guess. And that came off the success of Halloween and maybe that gave her confidence of, you know, because she was super early in her career in Halloween. So I'm sorry, you were going to say though? I don't

SPEAKER_00:

remember.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, good times. No, I mean, do you think that, like, I know that I picked this film for the Halloween series, but is this a film that you would want to come back to?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I think so. Like I said, I did enjoy this more than Slumber Party, although having seen Slumber Party Massacre a couple times now, I appreciate how ridiculous it is. Yeah. This one, I think that maybe I'll get a... like a whiteboard and start trying to path, make it like a crisscross path of how all the different stories and characters are supposed to actually interact. Because there were times where I'm like, I don't really know what's happening with some of these characters. I

SPEAKER_03:

will say this for Nick. He needs to grow a fucking backbone. And I mean, Wendy's dead now. But like... I would be pissed if I were Kim with the way that he let Wendy kiss him.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

He let her monopolize his time at the prom. There was a scene where they were sitting at a table talking. I'm like, just stand up and walk away from her if you don't want to be around her anymore.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, it's not who you come with. It's who takes you home. There you go. Which is a line that is in all four movies.

SPEAKER_03:

That's a good line.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So slumber party. Oh, sorry. Now

SPEAKER_00:

you got me. That's on my brain. Slumber party prom night massacre.

UNKNOWN:

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03:

Wouldn't be a bad double feature. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So call to action.

SPEAKER_00:

What happened at your prom?

SPEAKER_03:

I didn't go to prom.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh.

SPEAKER_03:

Sorry.

SPEAKER_00:

That's okay. Well, look. Look how much safer that is. Yeah,

SPEAKER_03:

I'm alive.

UNKNOWN:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

I chalked that all up to not going to prom. Well, I'm going to stick with what

SPEAKER_00:

I was saying. You probably also were involved in a kid falling out a window six years before your prom. This is true, too.

SPEAKER_03:

This is true, too. I'm going to stick with what I was saying at the beginning of the episode.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Did anybody ever play that Kill, Kill, Kill game? Oh,

SPEAKER_00:

the hide-and-seek version? Yeah. Please, I hope the answer is no.

SPEAKER_03:

That is not a game kids should be playing. Nobody should be playing that, but especially kids.

SPEAKER_00:

No, it didn't. It was a real wild game.

SPEAKER_03:

What's your call to action?

SPEAKER_00:

That's the same one.

UNKNOWN:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Why do I even ask anymore? Okay, so sneak peek. I gave you a clue much, much earlier in this conversation.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's fatal attraction.

SPEAKER_03:

It is absolutely fatal attraction.

SPEAKER_00:

And I think the difference, and look, I don't even know when the last time was I saw this full movie, or if I ever saw it all in one sitting, or if I've seen parts, not seen the whole thing from start to end. But my sense is that The guy's character kind of goes through some stuff, and your take is that it was not enough, and he got off easy. Is that kind of it? Very much so. Okay. So I'm going to take that, and I'll see if my mind changes at all after seeing the whole movie. Okay. Because now you got me questioning my whole perception of reality.

SPEAKER_03:

Wow. I didn't mean to take it that far. But yeah, I... I don't know if I would have landed on this film next had not it come up in a couple prior conversations.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah,

SPEAKER_03:

yeah. Where I'm like, maybe this would be a good film to cover with you because of our different perceptions of it. And it also feels like maybe a soft, not, there's nothing soft about the film, but like a soft wave coming out of Halloween.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I mean, it's about family, so Thanksgiving's coming up. I think it works. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, if anybody's like, oh, I don't want Halloween to be over, it certainly has horror-esque elements to it. Yeah. So in any case, thank you to everybody out there for following our podcast. We really appreciate you taking the time to do so. Just remember that I did not give a call out to our socials if you want to connect with us. So you can reach out through Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter. It's the same handle for all three at 80s Montage Pod and 80s is 80S.

SPEAKER_00:

We do not have a LinkedIn profile. Thank you for asking though.

SPEAKER_03:

Or what are other, I don't know. No, no TikTok. No TikTok. No TikTok, but that's okay. And in the meantime, thank you again. And we will talk to you in two weeks time.

UNKNOWN:

Thank you.