'80s Movie Montage

Mystic Pizza

• Anna Keizer & Derek Dehanke • Season 5 • Episode 10

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In this episode, Anna and Derek discuss why Jojo wouldn't want to marry a great guy like Bill, Tim's supreme ick factor, and much more during their chat of the flick Mystic Pizza (1988).

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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.

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don't you get it joe i'm telling you that i love you and all you love is my dick do you know how that makes me feel do you

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Hello and welcome to 80s Movie Montage. This is Derek.

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And this is Anna.

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And that was Vincent D'Onofrio talking to Lily Taylor as Jojo in 1988's Mystic Pizza.

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Mystic Pizza! How do you think that

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makes him feel? Huh? How do you think? Does he

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ever answer that?

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I don't think she does answer. Yeah, I don't think she answers the question.

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She doesn't answer the question, but I don't think he answers the question either. He

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just breaks up with her. Yeah. They break up. And, you know, the whole movie, it starts with them. You know, it works out for them at the end. Everything works out for most people in this

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movie. Yeah. In different ways. Not

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Tim.

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The dad.

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Yeah, it didn't work out great for him.

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Well, it

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didn't

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not work out for

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him. That kid is 100% writing him out.

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I feel like... Well, we'll get into it. We'll get into it. But yeah, Mystic Pizza. I'm super excited because this is one... I'm not going to say it's like... I don't even know if I could say it's like in my top 15 80s films, but I do really enjoy this movie. It's just real easy. Like... very low stakes again. Like it's just kind of a, I said that about Bull Durham, but this one just kind of, it's just nice to watch. It's all, like you said, it all kind of works out for them. It's all fine. You

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had asked me at one point during the movie if I'd seen it before, but

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a lot of it- Because you kept calling plot points before they were happening. It was so predictable. Yeah. I guess they kind of, because I was like, he's totally seen this movie before because there were at least three occasions where you said something And I was like, yeah, that's about to happen. Like in my head, I was like, that's happening in like two minutes.

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I mean, the ones that I really, really hit on were, oh, that's just that guy's sister. Yep. And then, oh, they're coming back and the wife's going to be home.

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Yes.

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Those are the two

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I remember. Yeah, more than that. But Mystic Pizza, we have actually quite a few writers for this one. Although I think the person who had probably the most input was, she's credited as Amy Jones, but it's Amy Holden Jones. Okay. She kind of did a little switch up on her name. And yeah, she has such an interesting filmography. And at one point, I would very—actually, maybe even later this year we will, because I would love to cover this movie for our Halloween series. So her probably biggest claim to fame, perhaps, is that she's the director of The Slumber Party Massacre. Oh,

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okay.

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Yeah. And actually, I think, like, an uncredited screenwriter on it, too. All right. So even though she is well-known mostly in a directing capacity for horror, and she has one other really notable— Yeah. Although I just mentioned a film she directed for the purposes of this film, I'm just going to mention writing credits. But among her credits, almost all film made to order. I

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remember seeing that.

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Yeah, Ally Sheedy. Yeah. Yeah. She does have a franchise to her name because she wrote the original Beethoven. Okay. And so there were five of them.

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Yeah.

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Five films, but then all these other kind of supplementary, like straight to video and things like that. So there's like a whole Beethoven thing.

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People fucking love that dog.

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Yeah. So I put down Beethoven 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, but there's actually more than even just that.

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Even Christmas Adventure.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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She wrote Indecent Proposal. So we go from comedy to family to very adult themes.

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That's wild to go from Beethoven to Indecent Proposal. And Beethoven was before, just before it.

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She wrote The Getaway, so she does action. And then here's the other horror credit that we both really enjoy this film, The Relic. Oh, I do like that. Yeah, so she wrote that. And then lately, although I think it just ended its run, she... I want to say it was like the creator on The Resident, the TV show. That

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Fox show.

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Is it Fox? I think so,

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yeah.

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So that's what she's been doing the last couple years. Okay. So that's Amy Holden Jones. So my guess, because she has story and screenplay by credits, she like originated the work and then it got kind of handed off a couple times.

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Okay.

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So... There's this duo, I think it's like a brother and sister, Perry Howes and Randy Howes. Randy, I think, is the girl. And both of them pretty brief filmographies, pretty short, three total writing credits each.

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Okay.

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And all three are, they... work together on all three. And actually one that's really interesting is that they also have a writing credit for Made to Order. So I don't know if they had some kind of relationship with Amy Jones and that's how they got these gigs, but... Is

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it just like 100% overlap with those three?

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Between the siblings, yes. So they both have a writing credit for this movie, Made to Order, and then the last one is Chances Are, which I think is like Bruce Willis, maybe? Yeah. Or Sybil Shepard? One of the two from Moonlighting. I don't know which one. Oh, is it both of them? No, I don't think it's both, but it's one of them. I just don't remember which one. It's definitely

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Sybil Shepard, yeah. Okay, okay. And then also Robert Downey Jr.

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Okay, there

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you

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go. So those are the Howes siblings. And then lastly, we have Alfred Ulrich. Yeah, thank you. And he has eight total writing credits. Okay. It is wild to me because, look, it is... very hard to be in this industry and to get even a single credit to your name. But it is, I don't know, there's something crazy where you only have eight writing credits, but one of them just happens to be an Oscar winner. So even though he doesn't have a lot of credits, he won Best Adapted Screenplay for Driving Miss Daisy. I

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mean, what's wild about that is I think, and I don't know what, like, I don't know, where he was in his career when he wrote that. But I think everybody assumes that you win an Oscar and you're kind of like made.

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Yeah. And you're just going to start like

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pumping out more stuff that's going to make a bunch of money and you're just set for life.

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Yeah.

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And maybe they already were. Maybe, I

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don't know. There are some people that they keep going back to the same well, and I'm not saying that they shouldn't, but there are literally on one hand as of today, screenwriters that just like consistent, like Eric Roth is one of them, who seem to consistently get work thrown their way.

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But

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that is just as rare as it might've been in the 80s, almost unheard of today to have like consistent work as a screenwriter. All

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right. Pretty uplifting

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stuff. Yeah, I know. And then because he has like a pretty also concise filmography. I just have Rich in Love, another film. I don't really know it, but I guess if you're going to hang your hat, you can hang your hat on the fact that you are an Oscar winner.

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Yeah, no, I would definitely, if I didn't have a hat, I would buy one just to hang it on that.

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Yeah, so there we go. All right, so moving on to director Donald Petrie. And I think, does he have a brother in the industry? He might. This was very early in his career. This was his first feature film directing credit. So he had a couple other directing credits before this, but his first full film. And I have, like he did direct or has directed a ton of television, like kind of one-offs. Okay. But most of the credits that I have for him are films. And he more so sticks to the same genre, comedy, namely. All right. So his credits, Opportunity Knocks, Grumpy Old Men, Richie Rich, Love This Movie, Miss Congeniality. You do love

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that movie. Oh, my God.

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Yeah. And I think it came up the last episode, too. So he directed that film, How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days. Okay. And then more recently, he has directed on the TV show Chicago Med, like, repeatedly. So more so than... Another comedy.

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Another comedy.

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Right. Okay. So that is actually a big outlier. So no, that's good. That's good that you brought that up. So like his film work is like mostly comedy, but not necessarily his television work. So, all right. So moving on to, you actually clocked his name because you're like, oh, how are you going to say this for the podcast? And you're right. So cinematography, the guy who shot this, Tim Surstett.

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Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yes. I believe you.

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I tried real hard. I looked at it a real long time, obvious from the silence on the

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podcast. Tim Surstead? Is that what you said? I think that's right.

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I said something close to that.

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You said exactly that. And I'm not going to rewind because I totally believe it.

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And this is somebody that he has come up before, but I feel like there is actually... quite a few films, and maybe even this season, because I did tentatively put this film down for later this season. Okay. Oh, I bet I know which one. Yeah. He has a ton. How many credits did I put? No, close to 20. Close to 20 credits for him. Okay. He's done just a ton of really awesome work. I have, again, mostly film for him, but he does also trade off between film and television. And While there are multiple films from the 80s that we could cover with him, the one, which one do you think I was going to say? Oh,

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well, now that I'm looking at them, I'm like, oh, shit, there are a few. Okay,

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well, here, maybe I'll give you a clue. I

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don't, have we done Teen Wolf?

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That's the film. That's the one? Okay. I was going to have that one. I don't consider that horror by any means. Well, that's what I,

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yeah, that's what I wasn't, I'm like, I thought it was going to be Critters. That one would

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legitimately

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be horror.

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Exactly. But Teen Wolf, I was thinking as like a soft launch into our Halloween series. So it'd be like basically the episode preceding. Yeah. I love that movie so much. So yeah, he has some really awesome credits. Teen Wolf is one of them. You just mentioned Critters. Another one that we could do, Mannequin. At some point we're doing Mannequin. It's

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not

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a great film,

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but... Well, how dare you? But the opening credits are wild because it gives you like the entire lore behind the movie in this like animated intro sequence. It's actually super cool.

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I, so. You know, it was one of those films where, like, yeah, I know I saw it ages ago. It had been a really long time. And for some reason, I think last fall we had it on.

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Yeah.

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And I had totally forgotten that she was, like, this, like, Egyptian princess or something. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like, you're right. Like, a really wild backstory to that. But Mannequin is among his credits. Feds. So the film that we did that he was a part of, holy cow, that was probably– I think that might have been our first episode, either our last episode of season two or maybe our first episode. No, last episode of season two, maybe. Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.

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We have certainly covered it and it was excellent.

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Yeah, exactly. Be excellent to each other. So go check that one out.

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Do it.

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He did Men at Work.

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I love that movie. It's so sad that it's 1990.

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I'm so sorry. Yeah, you have brought that up too. If we couldn't make an exception for

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Presumed Innocent, we can't do it for this one.

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No, even for our fellow host can't make an exception for you. Sorry. Sorry about that. Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead. You did that. So some film work. He shot The Wonder Years, multiple episodes of that, Picket Fences, Chicago Hope, more film work, Noises Off, The Wedding Singer. Yeah. It's a great movie. Not from the 80s, but set in the 80s. It's a really fun depiction. Can we

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cover that one because of that?

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I know that you and I have talked about doing these, like, I wouldn't call them, I would call them like bonus episodes where we're kind of going on the fringe of what we normally do. And I think it would be fun at some point in the future to cover... Maybe

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when we run out of actual 80s movies.

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Well, that would be a very long time from now. But I think that covering films... Um, like what's the other one? Take me home tonight.

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That's it. Yeah.

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So there's like a, at this point too, because I'd like to think that we started this podcast before it became super trendy to set stuff in the eighties. But, um, there are now are a number of films that are pretty fun that. are set in the 80s. And I think if we did like kind of a collective where we did an episode covering briefly some of them.

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Oh,

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yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. In any case, that'll be a five hour episode. It would be a very long episode, but we wouldn't do all of them. Just some of the biggies. So the wedding singer, he also shot Office Space. He did that. More TV work, Grey's Anatomy, a series of really great films. He did Little Miss Sunshine, Idiocracy. Oh,

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my God. The documentary

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from the future. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Get Hard. And then more recently, I think he was– it almost seems like they're– Solo cinematographer, Silicon Valley, because he has a ton of credits for it. He worked a lot

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with Mike Judge because... Oh,

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yes. Office space. Yeah. Idiocracy.

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Extract, I think, was him as well. Oh,

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okay.

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With Jason Bateman,

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maybe? What's it called? Extract. Oh, I vaguely remember that. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Moving into music. So here's... What's funny is that, like, okay, so first of all, super 80s, heavy sax. Heavy. The whole.

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Heavy sax.

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But the musical cues were, like, part of, like, I don't know if that led in some situations to me, like, being able to predict what's going to happen. But, like, the music cues. Like, stingers and. You could tell, like, oh. It's going to be a romantic moment. Oh,

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sure. There's some drama

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on the horizon.

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And what's fun about this, like, you know, music, when we bring up the composer, I feel like most people are aware of this, but like the score for a film is not the same as like the soundtrack in terms of songs that are, you know, used for different scenes, namely like the pool, the billiard pool.

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Oh, the bar, the peg leg pub. Oh,

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good memory. I mean, I just

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saw it last night.

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It was a little detail. The composer for this film, David McHugh, and he has... Actually, I mean, we could... cover him again at some point. He did Moscow on Hudson. I put this one in because I just thought it was hilarious.

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Yakov Smirnov?

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I think so. But isn't it also...

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Robin Williams? Yeah. Right? Is that it? That is Robin Williams. It is just Robin

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Williams, I think. Oh, okay. Okay. I know why you said the other guy, though. That sounded right. He did a film called Pumping Iron 2, colon, The Women.

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Sure.

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Why not? Yeah. Fair play. He did a TV series called A Year in the Life. couple more films, Three Fugitives, The Dream Team, and then the sequel, Mannequin, colon, On

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the Move. On the Move. But that mannequin always moves only when no one else is watching.

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Only when nobody else is watching. It's like, oh my gosh, which unfortunately didn't feel like it aged well. What was the movie that we watched? And we were like really disappointed by how how it hadn't held up, about those superheroes that aren't... Oh, my God. Mystery men.

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Mystery men.

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And the guy who, isn't there one that has the power where he can be invisible, but only if nobody's looking at him? I

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think so, yeah.

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Kind of reminds me of that. And then he also did the TV series Brooklyn Bridge. So that's David McHugh. Okay, editing. We actually have a couple people. And from what I can tell, they're not like an editing duo. They just happen to both be pulled onto this film. So first– and both of them have like pretty great credits. We could– for both of them, they might come up again in the future. So first we have Don Brochu. Okay. Is the way I'm going to say his name. And I have– Mostly films for him. We have La Bamba, which we could do at some point. Under Siege. He is an Oscar-nominated editor, and I think this is well worth it. I don't know who won that year. He got an Oscar nom in editing for The Fugitive.

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Oh, OK. I thought maybe

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we just had on the other night. I

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thought maybe it was going to be Cheech and Chong in Born in East L.A. I didn't

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even put

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that one down. Look, that movie was hilarious. Kind of felt similar to how UHF was hilarious. Yeah. But in the same way, like UHF didn't age great in a lot of ways.

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Which we covered with Katie. Go check it out.

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Exactly. But I feel like Born in East L.A. would be even more challenging.

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Sure. Because they're Yes. But we call that stuff out. We don't like really brush it under the rug, I don't

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think. I don't think so. But yeah, I thought it was a... Fun movie when I was a kid. Yeah, that was a favorite of mine.

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Of its time. He also did– so there was a 1995 film called The Walking Dead. It has nothing to do with zombies. Really? But– Okay. I think it's like a military film. So he cut that. Yeah, I know, right? It's dark. It's a dark title. He did Chain Reaction, Volcano, Blast from the Past. So many people like that film. I can't say that I really– like I did see it, but I can't say it really resonated with me.

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With– Brendan Fraser. Yep.

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And Alicia Silverstone.

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Yeah. Look, no one liked that when it first came out. So if people like it now, that's totally fine. I get it. Maybe it's on the opposite of age pearly. It's aged like a fine wine and now people really

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appreciate it. Yeah. I hear it a lot that people really like that movie. Maybe I need to revisit it. But he cut the documentary This Is It, which one of our very dear friends was an assistant editor on that. Amazing. Jacqueline. Nice. So he did that. And then he has done some TV movie work. So for a hot second, I was like, oh, the film. But I don't think so. It's just same title, Descendants, and then Descendants 2 and 3, all TV movies.

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Okay. Yeah, I don't think that's like the George Clooney. Right. Yeah, I think it's totally different.

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Yeah. So our other editor on this, Marion Rothman. So– The older, I would say, of the two because some of the credits that they have far precede Mystic Pizza. We have... And it's funny because you were just talking about this this morning. They cut both Beneath the Planet of the Apes and Escape from the Planet of the Apes.

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Yeah, I don't... Like, I remember Beneath because it had the psychic humans who I think were

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mutated from the... And you're saying that was just the second film? I

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thought it was, but maybe not. I... Look... Okay. Yeah. Yeah. With Tim Roth, I think?

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Yes.

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And then they just completely, like, restarted the entire franchise, it felt. And we saw a commercial for, like, whatever the latest one is that's coming out. That's what made me think of it.

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Okay. So those two, I think those were the only Planet of the Apes films that she cut. But Tom Sawyer. Okay. Funny Lady. The 1977, that's why, like... Their career started, I think, much earlier than Don's. There was a 1977 version of The Island of Dr.

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Moreau. So not the one with Val Kilmer. Correct. And Brando. That's it, yeah. Who's that guy? Marlon

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Brando. Who's that guy? Some guy named Marlon Brando. Oh, Jesus. So yeah, I wonder if the 77 one is arguably better. We'll see. I don't think we can do this one. Orca. What year was Orca? 77. Darn it. But that would have been a fun. It's like an obvious rip off of Jaws, but I think it would be fun to do.

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Yeah. You've heard of killer sharks. What about killer whales? I

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mean, arguably they're nastier.

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They're mean.

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Yeah. They kill for fun.

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Yeah. Sharks just are just trying to live. They're

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just trying to do their

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thing. Trying to get by. And orcas are like, let's fucking

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torture this. Yes. This thing and then kill it. So. So I think they are legitimately terrifying.

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Orca 2, this time it's

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personal. They just look cute, but it's interesting the way that they look because usually that belies a certain kind of demeanor. They

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just look cute because they're trying to get you in the fucking water.

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Yes, I guess so.

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They're like, look how cute I am. How about you hop in?

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So in any case, she cut that. Christine, which I would... Maybe even this year. I

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don't know why

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we haven't. We've seen that. Well, because we. So many times. We have seen it a lot. Starman,

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which we could do. I'm pretty sure Christine has the creepy old guy from Home Alone.

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Christine has a creepy old guy from Home Alone. Yes, I think you're right. Who's

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not really creepy, but that's how he's introduced. No, he's actually a very nice person. He's legitimately creepy in Christine.

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And then, so who, oh, okay, so this is interesting, too, because I had mentioned that the director of this film had also directed Opportunity Knox, and then Marion Rothman, she also cut Opportunity Knox. Okay. So that was at the tail end of her career. Okay, so we are at the stars of this film, and pretty legit stars who are very early in all of their respective careers, for the most part.

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Yeah, when Siskel and Ebert reviewed this, I think Ebert said a lot of the cast of this movie are going to turn into stars. Oh, that's cool. They can tell. They can see the talent in this movie, and it definitely turned out to be true.

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One major star that... This is the very first time that we're bringing her up, at least in context of like an actual film that we're covering. But we're going to start with, I mean, as far as who the lead is, quote unquote, of this film, it is, it's not even a two-hander. It's like a three-hander between Anna Beth Gish, Julia Roberts, and Lily Taylor. It's all three of them. Yeah, it's all three of their story. That is something that I was clocking last night when we were watching it is like how evenly are the stories told? And... I do think that there's just a touch more weight and time given to... So Annabeth Gish plays Kat. Yeah. So Kat and Julia Roberts' character, Daisy, they're sisters, right?

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Yes.

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And.

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First of all, I thought they were all sisters. And I thought this was all about an Italian family with a pizza spot.

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It is very interesting that presumably all three of these women, and I don't know the history of this area because it's actually based off of like, I think I briefly read that Amy Jones worked in this area when she was much younger. And so she kind of based

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it off of. She was actually vacationing. In Mystic.

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Oh, okay. My apologies. And

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there was a real pizza place called Mystic Pizza. that she then based this off of, but because that area is actually really crowded, it's a big touristy place, they filmed it in a totally different area, I think in Connecticut. And then because of the success of this, Mystic Pizza opened another parlor in that town where it was filmed, calling it Mystic Pizza 2.

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Got it.

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Hoping that they would leverage the popularity from the sequel of the movie that never happened.

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Well, you can't fault them for trying.

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No.

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So, I would have done the same thing. They

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didn't, they didn't, like, um... like ask for a lot in return for being able to like use their name. It's pizza place, but it turned out fine because after the movie people were like literally lining up, like their pizza place turned into the in and out of

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exactly mystic pizza places. Yes. And even now, like, you know, they sell t-shirts, I don't know, Etsy, wherever, like a slice of heaven, like it's, it's still making money, but Annabeth Gish. So, okay. I will say that this is probably a film that I think, um, most people have at least heard of it, but they may not be familiar with the backdrop to the film.

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Sure.

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So basically the three young women in the film, Kat, Daisy, and Jojo. Yep. Kat and Daisy are sisters. They live with their mom. We don't have any, like there's no dad in the picture for whatever reason. Not

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for the sisters. No, Jojo's mom

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and dad are both. Seems like they're both there. Yeah. And they live in basically like a fishing town. I'm sorry, Daisy and Kat's mom. She's a fisher woman. Lobster and cod. Yeah, yeah. So they come from this town and it is really interesting because it is focused on this pizza place. However, what I was going to say is presumably all three of these young women are of Portuguese heritage.

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Yes, yeah.

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And so I don't know if that is something legitimate to that region in real life.

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It felt like... It felt like they were trying to make it like that because even when Daisy was at dinner...

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Yes, and they kept bringing it up. Yeah, they kept going, why

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are you talking about it so

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much? Yeah, it was very weird. I think that... I forget the guy's name. Who's her boyfriend in the movie? It is Charlie. So I think Charlie kind of had a right to be upset with his family. I mean, they were being... Real snobs. Anyway.

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But she had a great comeback, which is like, they're just being themselves.

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Yeah. She's like,

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I know who they are. You don't have to do what you're doing.

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Yeah, that's true. So... All three of them. Now, I think I read that because when we finally get to the film synopsis, I don't think the film synopsis is based on the film that actually was made, so to speak, because they're all...

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That sounds like a real miss.

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So Kat might be like maybe 19 because she's pretty early in her college career. I think she said she was going back for her second semester. Yeah. Was she or was she just starting? Maybe she was starting her second semester. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Because it made it sound like she hadn't gone off yet.

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Because she was still trying to like work all these jobs. She had like a partial

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scholarship. You're right. You're right. Daisy, I think, is a little bit older than her. Yeah. And I want to hope that JoJo is more so along the age of Daisy because otherwise that's like super young to get married. It is. But it could also just be an 80s thing. So in any case, Kat is set up as like– Not so much of a looker, but she's got brains. Like, that's the way that they... And then Daisy's the opposite. That she even says, like, I got this. And she's like, I...

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Julia Roberts

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pointing to her face. And that's it,

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pretty much. She was pointing to a book that said, eat, pray, love.

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So Annabeth Gish still, I mean, all of them obviously are still very much working. Some of her credits, I think we could do Shag. That's a film that I believe is also late 80s, probably like right on the tail end of this film. She's in, no, Earlier in her career, I have mostly films, and then she has largely switched over big time to television. So she was in Wyatt Earp, Nixon. I brought up this movie, maybe not on the podcast, but certainly with you beautiful girls. So she's Timothy Hutton's girlfriend. She's like the like, oh, way out of his league kind of girlfriend.

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Oh, really? Wow. What a transition from being the...

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Yeah. So, I mean, that's the whole thing. Actually, that's such a... It bums me out that it's like a 90s film, but it's a very similar film in that it is like the town in which it's set is almost its own character. And... you know, most of the people there, they are born there, they live there, they die there. Sounds great. Well, have you not watched it with me? I feel like maybe I've just talked about so much I have assumed you have. I

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have not.

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Oh my goodness. So Timothy Hunt, it's like basically it's the high school reunion. Oh, okay. And he initially comes back, like he's been living in New York City, but he comes back, it's also on the East Coast, to his small town where everybody else still lives. And eventually she comes to join him and everybody's like oh my god your girlfriend is like so cool and she's so like hip and you know anyway okay so that's who she plays sounds amazing I love that movie I love that movie it is a crazy huge ensemble cast it does have the ick because are we still using that because Timothy Hutton has a very weird um interest in a very young Natalie Portman

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oh no So

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it is a and all his friends are like, that's not OK that you have this like weird kind of kind of fixates on her.

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I can't stress enough how bad it's got to be for like in a 90s movie for the for someone to say that's not OK, because I feel like a lot like it wasn't.

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I appreciate that so much about the film that all of his buddies are like, that's OK. That's fucking weird that you, because she's like literally 13 years old. Oh, no. Yeah. So.

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Well, again, this movie sounds incredible.

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It's an interesting movie and we can't ever cover it. Okay. So she's in SLC Punk, exclamation

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point. Very much. Look, that movie is very much on the nose, but I appreciate that it was made. And Matthew Lillard is amazing in it. Yeah. And so is the guy that plays Shooter McGavin.

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Oh,

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okay. Because that's his dad. His dad is like an attorney. And this kid is like– he's super punk.

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Okay. Yeah. She is in the film Double Jeopardy. And then here we go. So much film work– or I'm sorry. So much television work. So she's on the West Wing for a stint. She is in the show Brotherhood, The Bridge, Sons of Anarchy, Pretty Little Liars, Halt and Catch Fire, The X-Files. And then– You really like this miniseries. She does have a role in The Haunting of Hill House.

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I did very much enjoy that. Spoilers, she was haunted by herself.

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But not her. Not

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her,

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no. Yeah. But someone. But one of the other characters, yeah. She must have, you know, it seems like Mike Flanagan, the creator of that show, is very... He's like kind of a– well, a lot of directors do this where they pull the same actors for their different projects. Because she also– I don't know how big of a role that she had, but she also was in Midnight Mass, which is another Flanagan project. Okay. And then also more recently, Mayfair Witches. Oh, yeah. So she's kind of like

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– An AMC, I think I see. Gone into horror a little

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bit, which I like. Okay. Moving on to– Mega movie star, Julia Roberts.

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She is a mega movie star. Yeah.

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As much as anybody is nowadays, as far as like, I mean, that is something that is talked about a lot, that movie stars are kind of no more. And I would say like she was like capital M, capital S movie star in the 90s for sure. Yeah. And I mean, maybe with the exception of Tom Cruise.

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That's who I was thinking of in terms of like the, yeah, the attention or the, yeah.

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But it's talked about a lot, just the trajectory of actors and their notoriety and all that. Anyway, Julia Roberts. So she plays Daisy. And like we were saying, she is the sister that presumably is not in college, is not intending to go to college. Kind of. She just lives each day as it is, like at one point she kind of jokes about not being alive and it was like five or 10 years and Jojo's like, that's not OK, don't say that. But she kind of is just like she takes every day as it comes and has maybe sort of resigned herself to just living in that town

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when they're on the docks. We're on a pier. She looks at Kat and says, you got the brains. Looks at Jojo. You got like her husband. Yeah. Bill. Yeah. I think they knew they were going to get back together. And then she just holds up like a six pack and says, and I got this.

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Yeah.

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And then starts like. taken off.

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She's got like the street smarts, you know, Charlie's date calls her a hustler at the pool hall. It's not a pool hall, but the bar. And yeah, so as far as Roberts is concerned, I don't know if there's like a single credit I have on here where people be like, what's that? Like, I mean, she had a pretty strong track record. Even the films that didn't do well box office wise still are like known films because of her presence in them.

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Yeah.

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So one film that we could do and I was trying to remember this in the last episode and oh and you know what's funny is I just got to say this real quick while it's on my mind. At the tail end of Bull Durham, for some reason we, oh, because I was saying how much I don't like, I don't enjoy golf. I don't enjoy watching golf. And then I made some comment about like, oh, are there any movies from the 80s that we could do about golf? I completely blanked on Caddyshack. That's one. I mean, it is kind of the one. It is. But anyway, I just wanted to say that I did remember that after the fact. Because people were probably like, hello, Candy Shack.

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I appreciate that you held on to that.

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Yeah.

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I did that.

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For like two weeks just to bring it up. Well done.

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But this other film that came up was Satisfaction with Justine Bateman. Oh, yeah. We love

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her.

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We love Justine Bateman. Yeah. So... We could presumably do that film. And also, I did not... I knew that Julia Roberts won the Oscar for Erin Brockovich. I also, just like with Susan Sarandon in the last episode, did not realize how many times she's been nominated. How

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many

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times? She's actually been nominated four times. That's pretty good. And won once. There you go. So her first nomination was Best Supporting Actress for Stale Magnolias. That's the other one that we could do. So she got that. And then, of course, breakout film... Pretty Woman.

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Yeah, I mentioned in Mystic Pizza, there was a little bit of Pretty Woman. Yes. Look, is Mystic Pizza a Pretty Woman prequel?

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That's really interesting. That's

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super dark.

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That's a very, very interesting crossover. Oh, man. You could almost... Now, off the top of my head, I don't know if Satisfaction came before or after... Mystic Pizza, but if she was, like, the small-town girl who joins... Satisfaction was before? Yeah. Darn it. I know. Because in my head canon, it would be she... Well,

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same year, so I don't know, like,

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the... Okay, okay. Well, then, so she leaves Mystic, joins a band... Uh-huh,

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doesn't work

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out. Doesn't work out, finds herself in L.A., has no other resources, and she's too proud to turn to Kat or her mother, so then she has to...

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We just have to watch Satisfaction and then Pretty Woman to get this trilogy. Yeah.

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The unofficial...

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The unofficial Pretty Woman

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trilogy. Yes, yes. In any case, so she gets her next Oscar nomination, Best Actress, for Pretty Woman. And then, yeah, her 90s were just stacked.

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Sleeping with the Enemy.

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Yeah, I have Flatliners, Sleeping with the Enemy, Dying Young. Here's the thing, though. I appreciate the fact that she tried to... move out of the way that people knew her, which was essentially for like kind of rom-com type-ish

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work. Which is fine, but she's like, Got a lot of range, it turns

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out. She has range. I'm not sure if I enjoy those performances as much as I do enjoy her in more comedic stuff. And I think it's fine. It's fine to have a certain genre that, like, people love you for and know you for and want to see you in. I can appreciate, as, like, an artist, you want to move beyond certain boundaries. But it's also... Totally okay. Yeah. To just be, like, not just be, but to have a certain niche that you're known for. So, yeah. Flatliner, Sleeping with the Enemy, Dying Young, Hook, The Pelican Brief. And then she kind of returns to form in My Best Friend's Wedding. So that was probably her next super big hit. She teams up with Susan Sarandon for Stepmom. Then she has Notting Hill, which is huge, of course. So, you know, between Pretty Woman, My Best Friend's Wedding, and Notting Hill... Classic rom-coms. Yes. And those are probably her strongest projects in terms of popularity in box office. She reteams with... What's-His-Face for Runaway Bride. Who's his name? Yeah. From Pretty Woman. Okay. Please say his name because I'm blanking on it. I don't know. Charlie? No. Oh, my goodness. D'Onofrio? No! You don't know who the lead was from... Pretty Woman? Oh,

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Richard Gere.

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Thank you. So she retains, which I'm getting mad at you and I couldn't even remember his name, but so she retains with him with that. I don't know how well that did. I remember seeing it, but then she wins. She wins Best Actress for Erin Brockovich, which... You know, she shows her, like, to me, it's almost kind of like The Blind Side with, like, Sandra Bullock, where it's like, yeah, it's outside of, like, what you do. You try to have a little bit more serious fare, but it's not. I

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really enjoyed the deleted scene, deleted scenes from Erin Obrokovich that we just saw on Saturday Night Live. Oh, that is very funny. With Ryan Gosling.

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Yeah. Yeah. That actually was a really fun skit. She... I do really like her roles in Ocean's Eleven and Ocean's Twelve.

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Yeah.

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So is Danny Ocean's wife ex-wife?

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I'm going back a little bit, but I actually really enjoyed the movie with her and Mel Gibson, Conspiracy Theory.

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Oh, you did? Okay.

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That was fun. I

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did not put that

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one in. I don't know why I like this movie so much, but The Mexican with her and Brad Pitt and, oh, the guy from The Sopranos.

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James Gandolfini. Gandolfini,

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yes. He's like a, yeah, he's in it too. Okay. It's a fun movie.

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She has a lot of credits, so.

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She sure does.

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I had to make some hard decisions on what to.

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Whether those were hard decisions or not. I appreciate you making that suggestion. Real tough choices. Executive

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decision. She was in, of course, Eat, Pray, Love. You brought that up. She gets, so, so far, her last Oscar nomination, Best Supporting Actress for August Osage. Is it Osage? Osage. Osage County?

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You got

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me. I think it's Osage County. Okay. She's in the film Wonder with the Wilson brother. So now, more recently, has done some TV work. She was on the TV series Homecoming, the miniseries Gaslit, and then she actually reteams with George Clooney, I think it was last year, for Ticket to Paradise. Oh,

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yeah.

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So that... I have not watched it. It seems to be a rom-com. And then... I think it's like about the apocalypse, leave the world behind.

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Sounds like it could

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be. And that's like her most recent project. Okay. So that is Julia Roberts. Okay. Moving on to Lily Taylor. She plays Jojo. Jojo. I love Lily Taylor. And she started really strong. Maybe I shouldn't even say this because who am I to say that she like went away? I don't think she went away, but I think she has... become more of a name a little bit later on in her career. She's been working all along.

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Yeah.

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But she started really strong. We have actually covered her with Say Anything.

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That's right.

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Yeah. We did that one with Danielle, so please go check that one out. She's great in this. I think she... It's an interesting... The movie is over two hours long, so it's not actually a very short movie. Is it really? Yeah. I think so. Or am I wrong about that? I thought it was, maybe it was with commercials. Yeah.

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With commercials that was over two hours long. Shout out to Pluto.

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What's it saying on IMDb that's clocked at? An hour 44. Okay. So a little bit under two hours.

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Holy cow. We got a lot of commercials.

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We got a half hour of commercials. I would have liked to had a little, she just briefly touches on like why she's afraid to get married.

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Yeah.

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Which she's like, I look around and I see all these women and they're swarmed with kids and da-da-da-da-da. But she also doesn't necessarily, like, Bill adores her.

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It was interesting turning that whole, like, storyline on its head because typically, particularly in an 80s movie, it would have been reversed. Sure. Like, the roles would be reversed.

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Yeah. Yeah. No, I appreciate that, too. Yeah. I love that. I think it's an interesting... dynamic between them because you know we were laughing about the clip you were going to use for the opening but she does seem to love him and care about him they have a very sexual relationship which she seems to enjoy very much so it it's interesting to me that she was like so afraid to make this commitment to him because I don't think he he didn't give off to me anything any red flags that he was going to trap her in some marriage where she would just be barefoot and pregnant all the time. He just

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wanted a commitment.

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Yeah,

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he just wanted to be with her. He wanted to get a commitment, get married in a church that would be blessed by God for Christ's sake.

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Good job. Thank you. That's almost exactly the line, yeah. So it is, I wish I'd gotten a little bit more insight into Cause also her parents seem to be happily married. Like I just wasn't totally catching on to like why she was so afraid. I think it would have made more sense to me if she had a little bit more of cat in her where she's like, well, I have these aspirations of things I want to do. I don't want to just stay in this town, but I didn't really get that from her.

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in some ways they're like taking, like they go into each of like the three main characters stories, but like, none of them get in like too, too deep. Right. Like even cat where she's essentially like having an affair with the married man, like that gets right up to the edge of where things could get like, Kind of awful, but then it pulls back. And then the thing with Julia Roberts and her romance with the wealthy law school dropout. He didn't drop out. He got kicked out. All of them kind of get up to a certain level, but then they don't go too far because they do kind of balance things out between all the characters. So they would be giving attributes of one character to her, and I think they were trying to focus on all that stuff With that other character.

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No, I think you're totally right about that. And that is why it felt a little, like it bumped me a little bit that she felt the way she did about marrying Bill. Because it was like, I don't understand. You seem content to stay in this town. You're not looking to leave. He loves you. He treats you amazingly. He's a good guy. He's a super good guy. They

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steal his truck.

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Yeah, that was kind of a jerky thing

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to do. End up dumping all the fish

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into Charlie's car. It was kind of funny that they put nympho... Like, I thought that was the one thing where I'm like, I just don't see Bill doing that, putting that on his boat. But in any case, I do really like her, though. Like, for... I felt bad for Bill, and I think it's also strange that... Like, good for him that he actually broke up with her for a while. Just

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can't do it.

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Yeah. Like, yeah, have a little bit of a backbone. I am ultimately glad that they got together. So that's cool. Everything worked out. It all worked out. So the rest of her career. I have a little bit of a mix between film and television, more so film earlier in her career. So the emperor mentioned Say Anything. I didn't realize she was in Born on the Fourth of July. A

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very uplifting movie. Right. I think it's a great movie. It's actually a very good movie. Tom Cruise. But it's kind of a heavy movie to watch.

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So do you know what? I've never seen it in its entirety. Oh,

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yeah. I saw that. So who is she in it? I can't recall who she's in because so much of it is focused on Cruz. And then he has kind of like, well, yeah, I don't know.

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Okay. I don't know. I remember her getting a lot of praise for Dogfight. She's in Shortcuts. She's in Rudy, right? Nice. I remember her getting a lot more attention for I Shot Andy Warhol. I just remember a lot of buzz around that performance for her. She was in Pecker. So... Coming up, but this isn't the film, she's in The Haunting.

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Not The Haunting of Hill House, but The Haunting.

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And not The Conjuring, but The Haunting. So she does that. She does have a fun role in High Fidelity. Almost everybody has a fun role in High Fidelity, except for John Cusack.

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He's got the least sympathetic role in the entire movie.

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He really does. By far. But she's in that. She's like one of his exes.

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Yeah.

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She was on the show Six Feet Under. for quite a while. She was in the film Public Enemies. Then she's in The Conjuring, which she's great. It's her and the dude from Office Space. Yes. Ron Livingston?

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Livingston, yeah.

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Yeah. And, man, that is such a great movie.

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The first one is really good. And they're not all, like, the whole, like, Conjuring universe. I don't know what it sure is named. Yeah. It's, like, hit or miss. Like, some of them are good. Yes. But, like, The Nun... Right. I've heard that Nun 2 is better. I have too.

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And also, it's interesting to me, a lot of people seem to like The Conjuring 2 more than the original. I think the original is close to a perfect movie. Like, that kind of horror.

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Yeah.

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Love that kind of

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horror. We saw, like, The Devil Made Me Do It. We saw the

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third one. That was the very first film we went to after... pandemic restrictions. So we saw that for my birthday.

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That's how starved we were to go see something in

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the middle of

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the earth.

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So in any case, she's really good in The Conjuring. I love that she has– she's also very similar to– I just keep calling people what's their face. But really similar– Toni Collette in Hereditary. Lily Taylor has really embraced horror. And she's a fantastic actress. So I really appreciate that somebody who has her kind of talent is bringing that to this genre. Yeah. So– I will get to a couple of those other credits in a second. She's in the TV series Almost Human, Hemlock Grove, American Crime. She is in the film Leatherface, and she is in the film The Nun, but it's because she has a minor role as her character from The Conjuring. She is in a show you really like that's coming back soon,

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Outer

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Range.

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So I like it. I've seen the trailers for the next season, and this came to my attention around the same time as one with J.K. Simmons, Night Sky, and Sissy Spacek.

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Yeah, and you're still sad about that.

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They're both great shows. Night Sky was by far the more interesting concept. This couple finds a bunker, an area under their home that is like a portal to another world. galaxy or something it was the setup and execution it got kind of confusing towards the end but it was a really cool show and if one of those two shows had to die i kind of wish it was out of range but i'm glad that at least one of them is still going forward

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yeah So she's in that. And then also very recently, the TV series Manhunt.

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All right.

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Okay. Moving on to sexy, rexy Vincent D'Onofrio. Boy,

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isn't he?

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He is. He sure is. He sure is in this film. Which is funny, because now we've done... I mean, obviously, because we cover films from the 80s. But, you know... Not too long ago, we did Adventures in Babysitting this season, in which he has a very key cameo. Yeah. Which, in fact, he is presented somewhat to be Thor, to give you an idea of his

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stature

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in the film. And yeah, in this film, too, Lily Taylor goes on and on about how physically attracted she is to him. It's just funny to me that that's how he's set up in this film. But he... was covered not that long ago. I am going to just do a real quick rundown of his credits. Not a lot has changed since the last time we've talked about him, like two months ago. Yeah, yeah. But he's had an amazing career. And he also... has done a range of genres. Oh,

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for sure he has, yeah.

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Yeah, so as mentioned, Adventures in Babysitting, and then Complete 180, Full Metal Jacket from that. He's also, I don't know if I can clock him in Dying Young. He's in that film. I don't know who he plays in that. I know I saw it. JFK, Ed Wood, Strange Days. He has another very notable cameo in Men in Black. Oh, yeah. Sugar in water. And I think that's exactly what we said last time. The

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Newton boys. God damn it. Did I? I probably did.

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But that's okay. It was memorable. The Cell with Jennifer Lopez, right? Yeah. Yeah. And then, of course, has had an incredibly long stint on Law& Order Criminal Intent. Of course. The TV series. He's in Jurassic World. The remake of The Magnificent Seven. And then... So he now is part of, it would be DC? No.

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No,

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it is Marvel? I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry.

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The Kingpin.

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I don't know which one that's part of. It is, yeah. It is Marvel?

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He is a, I mean, he's a nemesis or supervillain who fights. I always remember him fighting like Spider-Man in some of the animated stuff. So it was cool that he was in like the Spider-Verse. Okay. He was a villain in that, but then- like where D'Onofrio is playing him is in the... Daredevil series.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So yes, he, well, he's in Daredevil and also Echo.

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Yeah. Which is part of the same. Right. Same thing.

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Yeah. Okay. But that's all Marvel. Yeah. Okay. So he's in both of those. The movie, The Eyes of Tammy Faye, and then also the TV show, Godfather of Harlem. Okay. So, all right. So you brought him up very early in our conversation, the character of Tim. Yeah.

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Tim.

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So Tim is... So he's the dad. What are

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you doing, Tim? Yeah. You gotta know better.

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Yeah. I think the one thing that this film does do really well is... Maybe you felt differently, but I felt like if you didn't know this film, you wouldn't know until the moment that he actually kissed her whether or not he felt the same way about her.

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I so he would either have to be a moron to not know that during all these like interactions that she is basically like she's a little bit awkward. She's not as like experienced as she is just awkward. She is. So, yeah. So he he should have known that that's where it was leading. So what surprised me was that when. They get Jojo to cover

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the

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babysitting duties. Like, he absolutely was, like, kind of in on it at that point. He had to know.

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At the very least, I think that what he was doing was completely inappropriate.

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The moment when he comes back from, like, what is it, poker?

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Yeah. And she asks for wine.

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She asks for wine, and he looks up.

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Yeah.

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And then he, like, comes out with the wine, and they, like, have their moment.

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Do you think that's the moment when he realized that... She felt a certain way about him? I

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think that would be the moment where he realized something might actually, like, happen.

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I think... He could have

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thought that she had a crush on him or something, but...

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Yeah, I do think that of the... Because they basically position all three female leads with each their own romantic relationship. Yeah. And this one, to me, is the most interesting relationship because of... Just the diet. I mean, I said to you when, I don't know, after they sleep together and the wife comes home, I was like, he's obviously a predator because like as much as like he presents himself as a nice guy, he is a predator because he's like, so what? He said he was Yale class of 79. Yeah.

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I think so.

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This film's about 10 years beyond that. So he's early 30s. Yeah. And she's probably, like I said, about 19, 18, 19 years old. Yeah. So complete imbalance in power, both in terms of age, and he is her employer, also married. So there's so many factors for why he's not a good guy. But also, she is, so to speak, of age, and she knows he's married, and she's smart. But I'm not blaming her. But it is a really interesting dynamic between the two of them

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it is yeah like what i was gonna say is what surprised me was when they were at that like the house that he was like working on

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yeah architect

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that he's the one who like pulled her in for a kiss

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yes yes and that's when like that's why this whole relationship is fascinating to me because she obviously she has a crush on him because she is making that really i think well known to daisy and jojo

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yeah

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But when she's with him, I do think she still has the, except for the moment where she asks for wine, I think in the scenes, we only know what they show us. But at least for me, I was like clocking really hard how she was acting with him. She wasn't touchy feely. She wasn't anything like that. I don't think she

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ever. It was the look she gave him.

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Sure. She was

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holding on to those looks a little too long.

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I'll give you that.

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Yeah. I'll give you that. But that was probably

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it. I don't think she ever articulated anything that was inappropriate. No. But just like I was telling you, I babysat a lot of. A lot, a lot, a lot, both through high school and college and even grad school.

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You navigated that without attempting

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to seduce any? The only time I was ever alone with the father of whoever I was babysitting for was before I got my driver's license and they had to actually drive me home. That was the only time. Never was I ever alone with the male parent or even... I had a thought in my mind of spending time with them.

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You never just like hung out in the kid's bedroom, like reading a story? Where you're both just like sitting on the bed?

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Never. No? No. Never. Ever. Ever.

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You never were like watching the kid and the dad got back home and asks like, oh, would you like something to drink? And you're like, wine.

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The second they'd come home, as much as I enjoyed babysitting and I... clocked probably thousands of hours of babysitting and nannying over the course of my life. Yeah. No. Okay. Hard no. All right. So that's where I find the greatest fault with him is like, I don't care if you're lonely because your wife's away. I don't care if you have some kind of understanding with her. I don't care about any of that. I don't care about the fact that

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like... Don't do all that with the babysitter.

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Yeah. Like, I don't care that you have, you know, a common, you know, alumni or like a... You know, that he went to Yale, she's going to go to Yale. That you're interested in astronomy, she's interested. Like, I don't care about any of that. You do not spend time with her outside of strictly what she was hired to do. That's where I find, like, the issue. From the jump, it was inappropriate in that regard. It was. Sorry, that's my soapbox on Tim.

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Yeah, I think that Kat's character was just... young and inexperienced and a little naive and kind of looking at what Daisy had. For sure. In terms of these love interests or being able

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to... That's a really good call because there are a couple scenes where she's watching Julia Roberts with her guy. And she wants that

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connection with somebody. And so everything just kind of coalesces into her obviously having this crush on Tim, but Tim... sure as hell should have known better and seen some of those. They weren't glaring signs, but he should have seen those. But then when he reaches in, he's obviously like, there's just full-on collusion going on when they both agree to have someone babysit. That also was...

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Yeah, I mean, it's like, I can't give the benefit of the doubt, but at the same time, it's like, did you... I don't know. I don't know what either of them... were thinking that...

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He had to have been in on like, sure, okay, I'll let your friend babysit Yeah. Right, right. I know. The night before

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she was supposed to come back. I'm like, the timing, too.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. So it's all very strange.

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I mean, we all know how common it is, like, if you're going to fly out on one day to just show up

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a day sooner. Right? That must happen all the time. It happens all the time in movies and TV. Yeah. And to have no communication between the two of them. Like, hey, if I was coming back even 15 minutes earlier, I'd probably be telling you, like, hey, my flight's coming in early or whatever. So it's hilarious that she didn't even say anything. And I love that you were like, the kid's going to rat them out. Because I don't, I think Phoebe... She's

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going to say something like, daddy and cat had wine all the time.

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Maybe.

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Mommy, why doesn't daddy look at you the way you looked at Kat?

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Although Kat, you know, she's not a Lolita. She definitely was naive. And I think what's interesting is that, like, presumably they slept together. They don't show anything. But you would think for her age and, like, the gravity of what occurred between them it was interesting to me that she was just like happy and like had no issue with what because sometimes the reality of what occurs pivots far away from your idea of it

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there are a lot of movies where like someone's first time we don't know if that yeah like fast times yeah

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i mean a very different situation but like not and they they very clearly show that is like that's not a romantic first time

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yeah i mean like i thought her character was interesting but it also felt like a bit of a like stereotype to have this like really book smart person who just right didn't really have a clue when it came to like just real life interacting yeah with with someone but um

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so tim

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cat

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played by william r moses Still very much working today. Right now, so he currently has 133 credits. Holy cow. He is big in the TV movie world because 53 of those credits are TV movies. I counted. Good job,

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Tim.

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I counted. So some of his work, he was on the show Falcon Crest. It was like a, I think it was like a prime time soap opera-y, kind of like Dallas. Drama. Yeah, yeah, kind of show. So he was on that for a while

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it's like kirkland dallas

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so 21 21 of his 53 tv movies are perry mason tv movies

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those were the uh the raymond burr perry

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mason i guess so i don't know them but like uh yeah so he's big into the perry mason universe

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those were those were good i like those i enjoyed those when i was a kid

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He was on the TV show Melrose Place for a while, as well as, I don't know this show, Fame LA, but his show. He did another franchise, not a franchise, but series of TV movies called, they were Jane Doe. Oh. Jane Doe.

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Criminal detective.

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I don't know. Maybe. But there's nine of them that he was a part of. Okay. He also, I think I have like, yeah, it's all TV work. The Secret Life of the American Teenager. How to Get Away with Murder. He's on that. I thought this was very fun because the movie we are covering is called Mystic Pizza. Yeah. He was in a TV movie called Mystic Christmas.

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Yeah.

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And then just in general, a lot of TV appearances.

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He was in a TV movie called The Sitter, where

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a babysitter gets obsessed with him. Oh, wow. I missed that one. Oh, man. That's crazy. So there you go. Okay. So moving on to Charlie, played by Adam Stork. Also still very much working. Not as many credits. And I think I have mostly television for him with one exception. So he was on the TV series Search for Tomorrow. I don't know who he is in this film, but I do love this movie. He's in Death Becomes Her. Oh, yeah, I don't know. So he's in that. This is a very notable TV miniseries, The Stand. He is in that. Oh,

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Larry Underwood. He was a

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major character?

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Well, I remember the name of that character. That's interesting. That was the 94 version of the series. I feel like they maybe did a more current one. That's back when they would do these really crazy long miniseries for Stephen King's also ridiculously long series. Novels. And they generally don't age that well, not even from like a problematic stamp, just from like a production

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production. Yeah.

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Like, what is this?

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So he was in the TV show Prey. And then also just over the course of his career has had other like kind of one offs, maybe two offs on TV. I feel

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like it is worth noting that that's P-R-E-Y.

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P-R-E-Y. Oh, yes, I'm sorry.

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Just in

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case. No, no, no. That's great that you brought that up. Yep.

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It's pray, not pray. It's pray, not pray. Yeah. There you go.

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Okay, lastly. So outside of all these young adults and their romantic entanglements.

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Yeah. God, so much drama, guys. So much drama. Just give me a pizza.

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We have Leona. So Leona is played by Conchata Farrell. Or is it Farrell? Farrell. Yes. Might be the latter. I think probably. Pharrell. Yeah. So she is the owner of Mystic Pizza, has had the recipe handed down to her. Nobody knows it. She's not going to give it away until she retires. It's her secret. It's her secret. So she's great. And she's presumably, even though all three of the girls do have mothers, she acts very much as a motherly figure to all of them. Absolutely. And- You know, at the end of the film, basically, to probably clear his conscience, Tim cuts Kat a check to help with Yale. We don't, I don't think, ever learn what the amount is.

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No.

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But she tears it up. Yes. And Leona, at JoJo's redo wedding, pulls Kat aside. It seems like she gives her an envelope of cash, which, just cut her a check, but... basically says like this is for college and Kat initially protests, but then Leona was like, we don't have kids. You're our kids. Yeah. It was very nice. Take the money. It all worked out. Yeah. So she's great in it. She's funny. I really like her presence in it. And she's actually no longer with us, which makes me very sad. But she had a fantastic career. I didn't realize that she's in the film Network. And I don't know. Oh,

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yeah. I didn't

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know either. I couldn't even tell you if it's a major role, but it's been a while since I've watched that. So there was 80s TV show called ER that she was on. Say what now? Mm-hmm. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yep. So she was on that. She was in the film. I do remember her in this film. She's the dude's mom in Four Keeps with Molly Ringwald. She's in that. I also remember her in Edward Scissorhands. She's like one of the neighbors. So she's in that. L.A. Law, the TV show. The film True Romance. She... went back and forth all the time between film and television. She was on the show Hearts of Fire, the film Freeway, the TV show Townies. So she reteams... With Julia Roberts because she's also in Erin Brockvich. Really? Yeah. Okay. So she's in that. The film Mr. Deeds. And then you clock this because you're like, oh, she was in Two and a Half Men and she certainly was.

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Because she was in like 211 episodes of it. And I have not ever watched a single episode of that show, but just from like- Like every commercial is like the kid says something, she says something super sassy, and then maybe Charlie Sheen walks in.

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She is sassy in

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that

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show. We watched this. She's in the film with Toni Collette, Krampus. Yeah, I like that movie. And then her final credit was a film called Deported. All right, film synopsis. So I already said, I don't think it's strictly accurate. Otherwise, it'd be even creepier than it already is. Oh, shit. Three teenage girls come of age while working at a pizza parlor in the Connecticut town of Mystic.

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They all better be 18 and 19.

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I don't think it really hits the nail on the head.

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Okay. Three young women come of age while working. That one small edit makes it a little bit less crazy.

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I don't like the phrase, though, coming of age. Oh, yeah. I don't think that really works here. When you're 14 and 15 years old, you're coming of age.

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You are of age, then.

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They're of age in this film. And, you know, JoJo, you're not coming of age if you're, like, on the fence about getting married.

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You're

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kind of past

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that. That's a good point.

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So that's why I think the synopsis plays into more so maybe what the earlier versions of the script were. We were

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terrible. Tearing this synopsis apart.

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As it should be. So it's not to me, and it is super icky to call them three teenage girls. Again, I think it's very likely that Kat is like, you know, 18 or 19 years old. But I think Daisy and Jojo are like probably very early 20s, but early 20s.

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They're all hanging out at the bar drinking. Yeah, they are. What's the drinking age in

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Connecticut in the 80s? I mean, who knows how strict they were on stuff? Like, I always thought that... cat or i'm sorry that daisy and jojo were of age like they legally could drink

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yeah

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but that cat probably wasn't

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because she wasn't when she was like their driver when they stole

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she was just i think the least

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drunk of them oh really okay

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that's the way i interpreted it perfect um i did appreciate that jojo's like i'm too hammered to drive

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very responsible

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very responsible so i did appreciate that but yeah i don't know the the synopsis is um I hate

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it.

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Well, OK, so bouncing off that, I'm very curious because this was your first time watching the movie and I kind of was asking you last night to get a sense of how you felt about it. But from a first time perspective, how did you feel about the film? I

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mean, look, I I totally can see like the talent involved. Coming out in, like, particularly, like, Julia Roberts kind of, like, steals every scene that she's in. It was, like, a fun movie. Like, it wasn't high stakes. You kind of see where a lot of things were, like, going. You kind of tell that, like, by the end of this movie, pretty much everything's going to work out for the most part for everyone, I think. But it was, yeah, I enjoyed it. I liked it. I liked that it, like... focused on like these three characters which you know like if they tried to make that same movie now people would be like upset that this movie is focused on like three women or there would be like a whole it would be a thing it would be a thing in a way that it wasn't when this movie came out which is just like this is just the story

SPEAKER_01:

well I think more so like I appreciate that small stories like this were being told that's

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that's true yeah I

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think so much, you know, you made a comment that like when Ebert was reviewing the film, he talked about how like, okay, so many of the people in this film are going to be big stars and he was right. And so whoever casts this film needs to be given, and I'm sorry we don't usually talk about casting directors, but like they have to be given huge credit for the fact that like the strength of this film, I don't think it's like, it's not like the perfect movie by any means. It's just like kind of a nice movie to watch every once in a while Yeah. You don't get too upset about it. I mean, although we have our strong feelings about Tim. But that's

SPEAKER_02:

okay because the movie was supposed to make us feel a certain way about Tim. Yeah. So we did.

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But it is very much carried on the strength of the acting of all these very young performers who just happen to be really great actors very early in their careers.

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Yeah.

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So that's a big part of it. And, you know, as far as like... You know, it's funny to me because, you know, you've said a couple times now it all works out. Like, I think JoJo and Bill, they have a lifelong marriage. They're happy. They have a couple kids. They stay in Mystic. Probably. She probably is the one that takes over the pizza parlor.

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You think so? I

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do. I think that she's the one that takes it over. Kat... is going to be fine in terms of she is going to go off to Yale. I think it's funny because like every time, you know, she talks about how much she loves astronomy, like she just keeps, and that's great, reference the stars to what astronomy is, but it's all math.

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It's

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all math. It's math and science. Like it's not just looking at the stars, but I think it's funny that they don't really go into that. She'll be fine in that regard. I think the one question mark is actually Daisy. I don't think for a second Daisy and Charlie are staying together. I

SPEAKER_02:

don't, I don't think they are. But they could. I mean, we're we're led to believe that they're, you know, like she had kind of a moment where she flew off the handle when she dumped all the fish into the car. He had the moment with his family where he didn't.

SPEAKER_01:

That's true. He didn't do very well.

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Yes. So, like, I don't I don't know. Like, that's why I was wondering if she wouldn't be the one to end up like taking over the pizza joint.

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I don't think she would because I think she is going to at some point leave Mystic. I think she has made it really clear that she's going to go crazy if she stays there. I don't know where she's going to go. That's why I was like, oh, yeah. She joins a band. She turns into Vivian in Pretty Woman. That's such an awful ending for that character. But it all works out. It all kind of makes sense. So that's the reason why I don't think she would take over the restaurant because I think JoJo is content to stay there and she's pretty much now– has put down roots. Like her family's there. Her husband's there. Her husband's a fisherman. He's going to stay in Mystic.

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Yeah.

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So I think it makes sense that she is the one to take it over. But I think Daisy, like as far as like her and Daisy, I don't, or her and Charlie, I don't think they're going to break up because of some kind of weird, like he's rich and she's not. I don't think that would be the reason why they break up. They're just

SPEAKER_02:

both very volatile.

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Yeah. They're both volatile. And I think they do legit want different things. Yeah.

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So.

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I think it all works out, so to speak, in terms of like they're on good terms with each other

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by the end of the movie. For all we know, she's going to become a professional billiards player and travel the country.

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Yeah,

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I could see that, too. She's very talented at billiards.

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And that's the other thing, too, is like she didn't really specify, you know, like her mom says to her, like, I'm worried about you.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. And she says, I am, too.

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Yeah, because she doesn't really have a direction that. But in any case, yeah, it's just a fun movie. I'm glad we finally covered it, because it is a film I've been wanting to talk about for a while, and it's been a while since I've watched it.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. I mean, good performances. It was, like, fun at times. You, like, felt how sad Cat was, even though, like, that thing was doomed to begin with. Yeah. But, no, I thought it was, like, really well acted. Yeah. I had no idea what to expect, so I didn't really know how heavy or not heavy it was going to get during some of those moments. But you get the sense pretty early on that it's not going that far down the deep end in any of these.

SPEAKER_01:

Agreed, agreed. And I think the only thing that I'm sad about is we just don't have films like this anymore. I mean, maybe the closest we got to it as far as films we've seen recently is The Holdovers.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah. That gets a little heavier, though.

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It does get a little heavier. You know? Yeah.

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But

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it's like a small story. The stakes are higher, arguably, at least the way that they present them in the film. I

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think so. I think, yeah. Do they call to action? Do they make...

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Well, the answer is no. But, I mean, as far as, like, call to action, that is a great... I don't even know. I mean, I think... Call to

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action. What was in that pizza? Yeah.

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I mean, I think a big part of it too is like, you know, I don't know how this film got into production. I feel like the barrier to entry was definitely lower back then, although we've seen from things like the movies that made us that films that went on to become these like classic beloved films like Dirty Dancing almost never happened. It feels like a lot of films start that way, where it's like, almost didn't happen. I feel like now it's much more so the case than it ever was. But, I mean, my call to action, I would love to know if there were films that, like, Look, there's so many that we can still pull from from this decade where we're just still scratching the surface. But I think this film is so interesting that it is this small film that I don't know if it would have had the legs that it has over the last 30 plus years if it wasn't for the strength of the young stars in it.

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And

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I'm trying to think of another film like

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that. I don't know if it would either. Yeah. That's what brings people back to it now.

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Yep, exactly.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. And I'm trying to think of other films. They're out there. I just am not clocking them. I mean,

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at the time, more movies like this were made because that was the way that stories were told via going to the theater. It wasn't the same... like type of universe, type of like movie universe that exists in the theater now.

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And there's also simplicity to it. Like the one thing about movies today sometimes is that there's just, there's too much gloss to it. There's too much shine. Like I like that this just feels like, I don't know, like a rooted film.

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Well, that is something I think that is part of almost all of the movies that we talk about from the 80s. Like all of those movies are, have that look and feel to them that's a little bit... More authentic. In some cases, it's because they just didn't have the technology to do what's done today, so other methods were used to get the movies made, and it just has a different look and feel to it than something that's made now.

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Sorry, threads.

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I mean, technically we're there. All right. Sneak peek. So... Well, this is going to be the clue that gives it away. This is the first film for this season where we actually have a guest and it is another beloved returning guest. Oh. We've had them on the show for... Actually, they've been part of our Halloween series both times. Really? Yeah.

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Okay.

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And I guess technically, I'm not putting this into our Halloween series because it seems a little more lighthearted. Really? But he was with us for Day of the Dead and The Fly.

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Okay.

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Yeah. Are you picking up anything I'm putting down? I

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mean, I feel like there's... like something like mentally blocking me from reaching it. Like there's like, there's a gate or something that I have to get through to, to see clearly.

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Yes. Yes. That's exactly it. Yeah. We're doing, and I don't know this movie at all. We're doing the gate.

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We are doing the gate.

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I mean, but you've seen it before, right?

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No, no. I've seen, I've seen the key art. Like when we're looking for movies, we're trying to like put together a list to watch over like the Halloween season. It's like popped up. I think because of like some other 80s horror movies that we've watched it like, you know, the algorithm is going to tell us what it thinks we want to watch. It has been telling us to watch this for a while.

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Yeah. And we're going to have so it's a young Stephen Dorff. And I

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cannot wait.

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I can't wait. And I cannot wait to have Chris back on the show. It has been a while and we love having him on the show. So very excited to have him back. And that is coming up in two weeks time. And in the meantime, just thank you to everybody for hanging with us. We really appreciate with all your podcast options that you listen to us and looking forward to the next one.